Dear christy, Happy to see your First post on Greenyouth list. but i feel you are mistaken in a lot of your arguments. I need to reply to this post because it address me than the list & theorising the issue without a proper study on list
carmel christy wrote: > Friends, > > Anivar's moderation and censorship is a good example of how some > sections are branded as 'rowdy-sheeters' and how even after bloody > violence some are given clean chits by the mainstream intelligentsia. Moderation & Censorship are totally different terms. Censorship is not at all possible to work in the age of internet. The list seems to be completely unaware of the the meanings of moderation in online spaces. http://www.thehoot.org/story.asp?storyid=Web210214166221Hoot72410%20PM935&pn=1 In this list all mails i moderated will upload to files section every week in a zip format (to prevent search indexing). So what are you talking about? > If moderation is to ensure democracy (?), then why is it differentially > distributed? Why the violence of some is considered to be so natural and > some others 'violent'? This list is not at all a trial project to experiment the possibility of democracy in online spaces. ICT's cant do anything like that. They are working in a system of various vertical power structures, including the power of internet access. For a list with a purpose there is a need of a clear moderation policy. But in Greenyouth we Trust people will use this space in a positive way and they are unmoderated after posting 3 posts worth for the list. While someone uses this list continuously to show their power to thrash individuals without any thing to substantiate their arguments,and hijacking the context of discussion which is offtopic to list, moderator needs to intervene. Remember Ranjit is moderated not after "hijack+abhayam tharoo ark? " comment. It after the hate mail after his 4 mails (he got enough time to place his position). > It is not a good practice to moderate somebody when one does not > comprehend (or pretend so) what she/he says. We have been listening to > the shouting created by Ranjit and I think he has theoretically given > the context of his 'masculine, violent' (in the mainstream imagination) > language. Look at the posts first, which are moderated & which are posted to the list after moderation.All mails at least with point is posted to list.(even though some of them have lot of FUD & hate) As you say I feel Ranjit is hijacking the context of sugathakumari's visit to athirapally to shout his agenda of bashing individuals. > The effective use of polemics has been theorized by various > scholars including Kancha Ilaiah whose so called 'violent' speeches and > writings gave a new impetus to Dalitbahujan politics not only in Andhra > Pradesh, but also in the whole country. "The effective use of polemics" is also a marketing tactic even before kancha. It will openup a lot of possibilities for the new brand. On the political sphere Sangh parivar is efficiently using it for a long time (they have a lot of Management experts to feed ideas). Sethusamudram & ramsethu is the new example. It gave a lot of new possibilities to parivar not only in Karnataka but also in the whole country. It also gave a lot of possibilities for DMK in Tamilnadu So it is a good way to raise issues in a campaigner perspective. But this forum is not the apt place for that > And I think some members in the group feel > threatened to hear these voices. This is a normal self-boosting claim to ally with or to find some other reason for moderation > We rarely see any discussion on the forwards as mentioned by somebody > else. It is not Anivar's forward on Chitralekha issue to the group which > created debate, but Ranjit's provocative expression which opened up a > discussion which eventually became a battleground of egos. Discussion must be started by its participants. You are in this list atleast from July 2006. While saying the absence of discussions please note that the even your post on chithralekha is appeared in greenyouth is appeared as a forward from me . As in free software practice there is no pointing in blaiming an online space which , in which you are also a member without A lot of discussions are happened in this list before "samskarika nayakan/nayika discussion"( i prefer to name it like this after gone through all those posts) in the context of my forward of your 3rd post for sarai fellowship on Chithralekha issue. All who look on the archives can easily found that It is a false claim that discussions in this list is stated with chithralekha issue. discussions on Smartcity, Munnar, etc are active discussions on this list much before the discussion on samskarika nayakan/nayika. I feel Samaskarika nayakan/nayika discussion happened in greenyouth in the context of my forward of Chrisy & jenny's 3rd post on Chithralekha issue in readers-list as a part of sarai fellowship progamme is the starting point of out of context discussions in this list. > I think this is an occasion which you yourself created to re-think about > your own notions of 'violence' and democracy. Otherwise be there with > your control rod to keep away fresh and new assertive voices. Forums are > abundant in the cyberspace and you can keep this forum as your sacred, > traditional place of worship where there is no need of rethinking. You are not addressing the list christy. Also this is a mailing list, not a forum, Both terms & its meanings are different. What I prefers to say is the hacker ethics "If you cant not agree with the policies & methods of a project split it create a new world and show how it must look like". Google groups gives you enough freedom to do it. > We never knew that your commitment to cultural leaders is so sincere! > Keep it up!!! One of the trends which is very active from the starting of this thread the "Traditional" tendency of changing the contexts in malayalam we say ആടിനെ പട്ടിയാക്കുക, എന്നാ പിന്നെ പട്ടിയെ പേപ്പട്ടിയാക്കാം അപ്പോ തല്ലിക്കൊല്ലാന് ന്യായമായല്ലോ . It is is justification experienced in this list yet. The name "greenyouth" helped you to portray it as "Environmental Brahmanism", There are people in this list to build grounds for that in the name of Sethusamudram project. It is also easy to portray bhakthi to sugatakumari is the issue, since male ego wounded by moderation needs a some points to satisfy. A lot of other people used this time to express their issues with sugata by celibrating an "applied victimhood" on ranjit. > This arrogance and exercise of power is hegemonic and this is what > forums like greenyouth if they really mean to be progressive should > counter. If this is how you make your forum a forum for forwards, well, > keep going!!! The group does not have a self claim that it is "progressive". Anivar --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
