--- Anivar Aravind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Moderation & Censorship are totally different terms.
> Censorship is not
> at all possible to work in the age of internet. The
> list seems to be
> completely unaware of the the meanings of moderation
> in online spaces.
In my mail on your moderation I had made two points.
1. The distinction between moderation and censorship
is valid.
2. You are misusing that distinction.
>In this list all mails i moderated will upload to
files section every
week in a zip format (to prevent search indexing). So
what are you
talking about?
In a manner of speaking, no digital mark can be
permanently erased or censored. That is not the issue
here. A moderator may act tough when a certain
violation involves the manipulative use of some
specific feature of digital technology or media.
Ensuring etiquette, moral cleansing are not the jobs
moderators who are sensitive to the potential of the
digital media undertake.
--- Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is not what I said. You are consciously
> trivialising my
> point for polemical purpose. I put forward my
> surmise why such
> intolerence and synicism arise in the first
> instance. That is not
> proposing a criteria for participating in a
> 'discussion'. On the contrary I
> meant it as a request to think from struggling
> people's perspective, which
> is possible from any distance.
I didn't intend to trivialize. But I disagree with
you on this issue. Environmental movement is FOR the
people and BY the people but it is not OF the people.
The question of affected people should not be traded
with other boons like development. However,
environmental struggles cannot be 'made sense of' from
the stand point of the affected people alone. This is
one of the features of the environmental movement
which makes it different from the emancipatory
movements. The former puts more emphasis on ensuring
survival and the latter on ending suffering. The
quest for survival may not always mesh with the
demands for self determination. The right of local
people to continue to live in the traditional
environment is a very important one. But the pressure
of survival might force all of the us - the entire
humanity - to migrate to some other planet! Hence the
environmental movement has to take recourse to global
treaties and protocols. This quest for survival also
demands a close engagement with science. In this
sense KSSP's leading role in the initial phase of
environmental movement was in the right direction -
Despite KSSP's poor understanding of science. Later it
was confused with the quest for self determination.
The struggle for self determination of people is the
task of other movements. I do not think that even this
struggle can have a localized agenda. I do not think
that we can see contemporary dalit/adivasi struggles
as struggles to continue with their ways of life. ( My
knowledge of today's dalit politics is limited to DR
Nagaraj, Chadraban Prasad omvedt etc.)
I have no interest in a poet's intentions or effects.
My question is simple: how do we understand the
involvement of poets in environmental politics? What
is Arundhati Roy doing through her meticulous handling
of data? How does she invent a domain of data-handling
which is beyond the calculator? So far science
fictions have done the job of pursing the quest of
human survival through fictionalising scientific
knowledge. How does Arundati brings science fiction to
Narmada valley? I am interested in Sugatha only if she
is capable of some magic like this. If not, I do not
care about what you do with her or what she does with
others!
sanil
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