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From: ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sep 29, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: {greenyouth} Politics of moderation and censorship
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Christie, <It is not a good practice to moderate somebody when one does not comprehend (or pretend so) what she/he says.> I think the malice in the mail was pretty clear to everybody. And because SugathaKumari is an uppercaste woman+poet+cultural leader+ environmentalist, I donot justify it. <Why the violence of some is considered to be so natural and some others 'violent'?> Can you clarify this Christie? Is it the same equation Ranjith Ranjith putting between Modi and SugathaKumari. < uncensored 'heros' who used expressions like 'go to hell' to Ranjit's provocative way of putting questions> It was addressed to Ranjith. But what ranjith did was putting whole lot of allegations on Sugathakumari(which I am not going to check, I think as a 'guilty' also she has a right to support any movement) and taking away the whole agency of the struggling people. And it was done in using such a language. Will you like that against you? Because some one doesnt like the way you are/ your positions are/ or the fact that you live in Gujarath/ or some thing you have done? <space which has been hitherto a taboo, it demands one to be polemical> The only problem with Polimics Christie , is that it kills all debate. Every one can enter in to that and no talk will happen. and the silence which many take is not because they have nothing to say, but both sides are equally disgusting in a polemics. < but Ranjit's provocative expression which opened up a discussion which eventually became a battleground of egos> This is very wrong, and not expected from you. Please go and see the group messages, there is a history of discussions in the group, before Ranjith started posting. <We never knew that your commitment to cultural leaders is so sincere! Keep it up!!!> A good way to silence him. 'control freak, committed to cultural leaders, green environmentalist' Well, keep it up. <forums like greenyouth if they really mean to be progressive > Didnt have any idea, progressive meant this? And the polemics now make a hurt dalit voice of Ranjith versus the powerful Green Youth. Cool What else to say On 9/28/07, carmel christy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Friends, > > Anivar's moderation and censorship is a good example of how some sections > are branded as 'rowdy-sheeters' and how even after bloody violence some are > given clean chits by the mainstream intelligentsia. If moderation is to > ensure democracy (?), then why is it differentially distributed? Why the > violence of some is considered to be so natural and some others 'violent'? > As some of us sit and analysed the trajectory of the whole debate, it is not > Ranjit who started using the 'hate language,' but still uncensored 'heros' > who used expressions like 'go to hell' to Ranjit's provocative way of > putting questions. > > > > It is not a good practice to moderate somebody when one does not > comprehend (or pretend so) what she/he says. We have been listening to the > shouting created by Ranjit and I think he has theoretically given the > context of his 'masculine, violent' (in the mainstream imagination) > language. The effective use of polemics has been theorized by various > scholars including Kancha Ilaiah whose so called 'violent' speeches and > writings gave a new impetus to Dalitbahujan politics not only in Andhra > Pradesh, but also in the whole country. > > > > Eventhough it has its own limitations as we go deeper into the problem, > when one opens up a new space which has been hitherto a taboo, it demands > one to be polemical. And I think some members in the group feel threatened > to hear these voices. Actually, it is an extension of mainstream imagination > about Dalit intellectuals in Kerala. Of course, it is Ranjit's male position > (enjoyed by most participants in the discussion) which privileges him (and > most other participants) to keep the tempo (of the fight which most of us > are unable to) whole through the debate which is quite alienating for many a > 'women.' By saying that I don't mean to consider 'women' as a homogenous > category and I do believe in a stronger recognition of cross-gender > commonalities forged by racism/casteism, etc,. > > > > > > We rarely see any discussion on the forwards as mentioned by somebody > else. It is not Anivar's forward on Chitralekha issue to the group which > created debate, but Ranjit's provocative expression which opened up a > discussion which eventually became a battleground of egos. > > > > > > I think this is an occasion which you yourself created to re-think about > your own notions of 'violence' and democracy. Otherwise be there with your > control rod to keep away fresh and new assertive voices. Forums are abundant > in the cyberspace and you can keep this forum as your sacred, traditional > place of worship where there is no need of rethinking. > > > > We never knew that your commitment to cultural leaders is so sincere! Keep > it up!!! > > > > I lament the moderation (the same feeling has been conveyed my many among > the student community in the campus) that is thrust upon somebody who is > trying to yell out the insensitivities of the hegemonic structures and > people. It is highly unwarranted. This arrogance and exercise of power is > hegemonic and this is what forums like greenyouth if they really mean to be > progressive should counter. If this is how you make your forum a forum for > forwards, well, keep going!!! > > > > Ranjit, keep your good work going. > > > > Regards > > Christy > > > > > > (All the Women Are White , All the Blacks Are Men, But Some of Us Are > Brave) > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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