{greenyouth} Re: Politics of moderation and censorship

[sreejith ..in the lap of winter..]

On 29 Sep, 11:08, "jenny chithra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dear friends, this is in response to ranjith's call to protest against
> anivar putting him in moderation and then blocking mails. anivar i think is
> unjustly exercising his power as moderator in moderating ranjith
> just for views expressed against a public figure. i also don't see why
> geedha's
> mails which has some evidence against sugathakumari cannot be published in
> greenyouth. anivar need not block us from accessing what ranjith and geedha
> has
> to say and protect us like this. we can read and decide whether what they
> are saying is
> right or wrong. i feel anivar is exercising this power not only against
> ranjith and geedha but
> also against me as someone who silently belongs to this group... and i
> protest...
It is still not clear for me whether anivar's position as a moderator
and his political differences from those who are under moderation are
clearly expressed.And i dont see the point how the term protection'
becomes relevant since the mails under moderation are available to us
in anther form.let's think whether there is any point in that before
jumbing into conclusions about male performances of oppression.
Again why should we overlook the elements of oppressive tones in the
mails by women?As pointed out by Rafeek Ahmmed, silencing is well
practised by Cristie as well.
>
> at this point i also want to say that i feel disturbed
> by the way ranjith speaks these day though i myself have used the polemic
> language and been called a "rowdy" in many spaces...
> yet, i cannot support this way of speaking and interacting with others
> (whether
> done by me or others)
> i want to remind myself that the best thinkers of this world, like
> ambedkar..
> used analysis and not polemics or branding...
>
> i also want to say that i donot agree with the views expressed against
> ranjith
> by dileep and anivar. i think dileep is instrumental in pushing ranjith to
> this corner
> by picking on his emotive style of speaking and calling ranjith's views
> based on an
> essentialized notion of dalit identity politics, fascistic...
>  (this is referring to the very first discussion on samskaarika naayika
> naayakanmaar)
> however, as christy pointed out, no one even noticed the violence when
> dileep
> did it. no one felt like moderating him...
> and when she points it out dileep can only react by crying about being
> analyzed as data. as if he has not been analyzing, reading and dictating
> terms to
> ranjith all the time bringing things to this kind of a state!!!
> i think ranjith took the bait thrown by dileep first and later carried
> forward by anivar (in the sugathakumari debate) and started acting out the
> role of the angry young subaltern, and moved into a demolition mode, which
> is just as disturbing for me as the violence that sparks it..
>
>  i think it is this deadly male combination of dileep, ranjith and anivar..
> that has led to this kind
> of a cyber warfare.. everyone is ready to throw personal accuations and use
> terms like fascist,
> hypocrites, egoistic etc... and in all i see some kind of simmering anger
> --  in ranjith it is open as he is being pushed to a corner, in dileep it is
> cleverly concealed and strategically worked out, in anivar it manifests
> immaturedly as crude power... and thus today we have a situation where
> accusations, polemics and anger subsumes all politics ...
>
> i feel sad that i am  part of this violence which one can see again and
> agian in most malayalee discussion forums dominated by men.. i would like to
> protest against this, think further about it and also talk about a politics
> based on compassion and analysis.
> sometimes, i wonder whether the angry young malayalee men here lack the
> compasssion and the analytical perspective necessary to think against
> oppressive strucutures. without this there would only be more and
> more masculinized performances (be it subtle or open) which serves no
> purpose in the long run...
>
> love and peace
> jenny
>
> On 9/28/07, sanil v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > --- Anivar Aravind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Moderation & Censorship are totally different terms.
> > > Censorship is not
> > > at all possible to work in the age of internet. The
> > > list seems to be
> > > completely unaware of the the meanings of moderation
> > > in online spaces.
>
> > In my mail on your moderation I had made two points.
>
> > 1.      The distinction between moderation and   censorship
> > is valid.
>
> > 2.      You are misusing that distinction.
>
> > >In this list all mails i moderated will upload to
> > files section every
> > week in a zip format (to prevent search indexing). So
> > what are you
> > talking about?
>
> > In a manner of speaking, no digital mark can be
> > permanently erased or censored. That is not the issue
> > here. A moderator may act tough when a certain
> > violation involves the manipulative use of some
> > specific feature of digital technology or media.
> > Ensuring etiquette, moral cleansing are not the jobs
> > moderators who are sensitive to the potential of the
> > digital media undertake.
>
> > --- Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > That is not what I said. You are consciously
> > > trivialising my
> > > point for polemical purpose. I put forward my
> > > surmise why such
> > > intolerence and synicism arise in the first
> > > instance. That is not
> > > proposing a criteria for participating in a
> > > 'discussion'. On the contrary I
> > > meant it as a request to think from struggling
> > > people's perspective, which
> > > is possible from any distance.
>
> > I didn't intend to trivialize. But I disagree with
> > you on this issue. Environmental movement is FOR the
> > people and BY the people but it is not OF the people.
> > The question of affected people should not be traded
> > with other boons like development. However,
> > environmental struggles cannot be 'made sense of' from
> > the stand point of the affected people alone. This is
> > one of the features of the environmental movement
> > which makes it different from the emancipatory
> > movements. The former puts more emphasis on ensuring
> > survival and the latter on ending suffering.  The
> > quest for survival may not always mesh with the
> > demands for self determination. The right of local
> > people to continue to live in the traditional
> > environment is a very important one. But the pressure
> > of survival might force all of the us - the entire
> > humanity - to migrate to some other planet! Hence the
> > environmental movement has to take recourse to global
> > treaties and protocols. This quest for survival also
> > demands a close engagement with science.  In this
> > sense KSSP's leading role in the initial phase of
> > environmental movement was in the right direction -
> > Despite KSSP's poor understanding of science. Later it
> > was confused with the quest for self determination.
>
> > The struggle for self determination of people is the
> > task of other movements. I do not think that even this
> > struggle can have a localized agenda. I do not think
> > that we can see contemporary dalit/adivasi struggles
> > as struggles to continue with their ways of life. ( My
> > knowledge of today's dalit politics is limited to DR
> > Nagaraj, Chadraban Prasad omvedt etc.)
>
> > I have no interest in a poet's intentions or effects.
> > My question is simple: how do we understand the
> > involvement of poets in environmental politics? What
> > is Arundhati Roy doing through her meticulous handling
> > of data? How does she invent a domain of data-handling
> > which is beyond the calculator? So far science
> > fictions have done the job of pursing the quest of
> > human survival through fictionalising scientific
> > knowledge. How does Arundati brings science fiction to
> > Narmada valley? I am interested in Sugatha only if she
> > is capable of some magic like this. If not, I do not
> > care about what you do with her or what she does with
> > others!
>
> > sanil
>
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