>read many materials forwarded in this same group on prevaling caste system in IIT and major institution. Hence my difference.
I understand. I was considering the meaning of the slokam only. >I didn't find the use of imagery and sloka as innocent way of tribute to the learning culture. . Do we have proof ? 2009/2/27 damodar prasad <[email protected]> > I think we are dealing this invocation of this sloka in a spcecific conetxt > of a premier institution like IIT. This is relates to knowledge and > learning. Sambooka and Ekalvaya incidents are also related to the quest for > knowledge. and I know and have read many materials forwarded in this same > group on prevaling caste system in IIT and major institution. It is in this > context, I read the video. I didn't find the use of imagery and sloka as > innocent way of tribute to the learning culture. . > My second mail has also reference to the ideas which resonates the > Syndicated Hinduism viiew. It is present everywhere. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, bobinson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >*Sambhookan and Ekalavyan were treated differently >> >> >> * >> But, politics was involved there too. Politics and cast system is very >> much involved there. And the power politics and caste system was always >> related in this part of the world. >> >> >> >> 2009/2/27 Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> >> >> * *Sambhookan and Ekalavyan were treated differently* >>> Regards >>> >>> Afthab Ellath >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Afthab Ellath <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >> And I don't think the scriptures are in any way connected to the >>>> modern day Hinduism developed for attracting masses to polling booth.... >>>> >>>> >> Quest of knowledge can be useful for all. (As per one of our old >>>> sayings the-hot-milk-cat one knowledge is even useful for animals) >>>> >>>> While quest of knowledge is useful for all, Sambhookan and Ekalavyan >>>> were not treated differently, not for attracting masses to polling booth, >>>> but by the ontological hierarchy of the very tradition itself in treating >>>> this quest, that is now proposed as the "common wealth" >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Afthab Ellath >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:15 PM, bobinson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am concerned only about the modern and possibily the original >>>>> interpretation only. I prefer to interpret "He" as knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> And I don't think the scriptures are in any way connected to the modern >>>>> day Hinduism developed for attracting masses to polling booth. >>>>> >>>>> >How is that Katho Upansihad sloka becomes a "greater common property" >>>>> of all? >>>>> >>>>> Quest of knowledge can be useful for all. (As per one of our old >>>>> sayings the-hot-milk-cat one knowledge is even useful for animals) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >secondly, I think many has pointed out here the combination of taliban >>>>> with saffron. "saffron clad talbans" soemhow denotes saffron as some what >>>>> "innocent". (am refering to saffron as metonym). Even in a precisley >>>>> "agraharic" issue, why should we bring in Taliban without any reason? The >>>>> very reference to "saffron" is enough to make the point. >>>>> >>>>> I agree with you. But I don't think its in anyway make them innocent. >>>>> Saffron started selectively abusing women like Taliban. Until last >>>>> election >>>>> this anti-female side was not very prominent like this election season. >>>>> That >>>>> was why I used the term "saffron clad taliban". And I think it sounds good >>>>> as saffron and taliban considers each other as acid and base and like acid >>>>> and base both are dangerous for human race. (As in if you drink acid and >>>>> base instead of water or add to water to change pH etc) >>>>> >>>>> As for your second mail I don't me or anyone "geninely" here in this >>>>> group will need an explanation but as you said its good for the kind of >>>>> people you intended it for. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/27 damodar prasad <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> May I also add that: some one out there, perhaps not active here, would >>>>>> definitely think that if two personas with xian and muslim sounding name >>>>>> has >>>>>> no particular issue with this "sloka" recital, why then a caste-hindu, >>>>>> damodar prasad raise such issues. >>>>>> Why should d,prasad wants to "maintain" the difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the -no-doubt- resolution- point of tradition as a greater >>>>>> common wealth of all has to be challenged? Why modern-nation leaves out >>>>>> "other" traditons while narrwoing down it to a selected past? ? Is there >>>>>> an >>>>>> ideoloy in this fabricated consent over tradition? Does this consent >>>>>> refers >>>>>> to "one-nation" obedient theory? For me these are important questions. >>>>>> Hence >>>>>> the reason why I raised those queries... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:40 PM, damodar prasad < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Ashik and bobinson, >>>>>>> I may have a few doubts. How is that Katho Upansihad sloka becomes a >>>>>>> "greater common property" of all? >>>>>>> The paraphrase of this sloka is this: >>>>>>> *May He protect both of us. May He nourish both of us. May we both >>>>>>> acquire the capacity >>>>>>> (to study and understand the scriptures). May our study be brilliant. >>>>>>> May we not argue >>>>>>> with each other. Om peace, peac*e, *peace.* >>>>>>> Yes, one can interpret in it modern context. But how does it become >>>>>>> an invocation song of modern technology institution?How can religious >>>>>>> ( >>>>>>> and bramhnical) scriptural sloka be integtrated to this endevour of >>>>>>> learning? >>>>>>> Interestingly, one "*inappropriate"* image in the signatue part is >>>>>>> the "rose". "lotus" image would've integarted well with the lyric, bg >>>>>>> bit >>>>>>> and sloka. >>>>>>> secondly, I think many has pointed out here the combination of >>>>>>> taliban with saffron. "saffron clad talbans" soemhow denotes saffron as >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> what "innocent". (am refering to saffron as metonym). Even in a >>>>>>> precisley >>>>>>> "agraharic" issue, why should we bring in Taliban without any reason? >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> very reference to "saffron" is enough to make the point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM, ashik salahudeen <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are correct bobinson. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
