*Why dont we dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better vision of future than the anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also included) dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not going to help us nor them...*
*Mr. D.Prasad, this statement underlines where you stand. * ** *What is the better vision of congress? * *More than 70% of our peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. Where is "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now? * *"incredible India"* ** *regards * *Rasheed * On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM, damodar prasad <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Viswanath, > See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do some serious > introspection, then the trends and indications has quite no: of lessons for > them to internalize and practice.. > > However, nothing like that is going to happen. > > Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on the verdict so that they > dont have to face the ire of top brass while things are being reported and > argued from the "Other" side. > > Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM and argue so that > contrary arguments are placed vehmently. > > I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests to argue for > anyside and mind that when CPM state commt. is discussing the verdict, it > is better to listen to what CPM has to say on the verdict. > > *For so long, Left and CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the > discussion.The arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The Left and CPM > reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM & Left.* > ** > *High time, we remove CPM from there. Why dont we dialogue with > Congress?.. a party which has a better vision of future than the > anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also included) > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not going > to help us nor them...* > ** > *damodar prasad* > ** > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -the left democratic politics of kerala led by CPIM has got a severe set >> back.the switching of the character of kerala voter-this analysis won't give >> much confidence to the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the >> Telegraph).The real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed party >> votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the active supporters of the >> party are searching for new alternatives.this is really a challenging >> scenario.from the days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other local >> issues never affected the party vote bank of these areas.PARTY is total-this >> is lost.the contradiction between party and people is sharpening.This impact >> is so deep in the history of CPIM. >> Just before the election,the cpim central committee member A.k. padmabhan >> given an interview to world socialist web in which he said that the >> administrative power which we got has no meaning at all.And this is not a >> political power.The problem is that they are sill failing to give a good >> governance to the people. >> Even people's democratic path is far off.And socialism is very far off.He >> underlined the comments of EMS in 1957.And globalisation process has cut off >> the funds getting from the central govt. >> there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral games,governance etc in the >> political praxis of cpim. >> >> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> >> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and Little Bo-Peep >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM >> > Mr. D. Prasad, >> > >> > You taking out just a >> > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and defining it. >> > As you said, a small swing can change the victory to one >> > side and that is what happened here. >> > >> > >> > Of course, there >> > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal problems >> > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF >> > partners also vote against them to an extend. >> > >> > >> > >> > A large scale voters >> > from BJP did vote for Congress >> > (comparing with last >> > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is not right >> > because last time, BJP got more percentage due to personal >> > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP - Anyway we can >> > say approximately they lost between 4-5 % votes). >> > >> > >> > >> > Actually PDP do not >> > have much vote share - now their vote bank is actually with >> > NDF and NDF supported UDF. >> > present NDF cadres are >> > once PDP/ISS workers. >> > >> > A section of people did >> > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They did not >> > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani and >> > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better choice) >> > >> > >> > >> > Minorities (A section of >> > muslims and christians) worked against LDF >> > >> > >> > But even after all these >> > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is only 2 >> > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M still >> > remains STRONG. >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Rasheed >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM, >> > damodar prasad <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > If any one has missed reading this Devika's witty >> > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009 LS >> > elections, pls. follow the link: >> > >> http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607 >> > >> > a precise excerpt from this is as follows: >> > >> > The CPM leadership doesn’t >> > seemed to have learned anything from this thrashing, though. >> > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that the CPM’s >> > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638 and >> > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we would like >> > to remind him that there is little consolation to be drawn >> > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF and the UDF >> > are more or less equally matched and a small swing can alter >> > the balance. This time the swing was certainly not small, >> > compared with earlier elections, which is something the >> > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides, the erosion of >> > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas of strength; >> > therefore it is not as if the non-political strata decided >> > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are loyal, while >> > the support received in non-core areas may be driven by >> > other, more local calculations. This is evident to the most >> > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers are so used >> > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are morons — >> > and hence continues dish out such weak argument. >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India >> Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
