--- On Tue, 26/5/09, C.K. Vishwanath <ck_vishwanath2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: C.K. Vishwanath <ck_vishwanath2...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Dialogue with Congress
> To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com
> Cc: damodar.pra...@gmail.com, "Abdul Rasheed" <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 5:54 PM
>
>
> Dear damodar and rasheed,
> i have to write some points here.
> i have been looking through the cpim politics.
> the politics of CPIM is seriously being challenged now.The
> top leadership of the party saying that alienation from the
> people is a reality(from sitaram yechuri to budhadev
> battacharya).this party learned indian people-How did the
> state-party system rule?can we forget the struggles of food
> movement,agrarian struggles etc?actually,Bengal is the
> product of these movements.One of the main reason of the
> failure of this movement is that they don't know how to lead
> indian democarcy within a liberal democratic frame work.the
> strategic goal is socialism.When?prabat patnaik says that it
> will be happening only a longer period.
> later,it was transformed into a party of organised
> dictatorship of the salaried class(thanks to pranab bradan)
> and ashok mitra says that feudal culture added with petty
> bourgeoise ambitions.What i am seeing is the struggle
> based movement using the opportunity of indian democratic
> space which has converted into a an institution
> building.here,i like to compare this party with italian
> communist party.later,they had to give up the name of
> communist party.
> this is a time,a serious introspection is coming from
> internal circles to civil society.
> recent assertions of the indian society after emergency,we
> can't see this party.during emergency period,When surendra
> mohan(idealogue of the socialist party met pramodas gupta to
> discuss about the fighting emergency,he said that we are
> class enemy of indira gandhi,so,we have to think of it.
> Confusion is always there,when undivided communist party
> came to power in 1957,failure of culcutta thesis,naxal
> bari,emergency etc-and yet another setback from this
> election.
> When came to power in W.bengal,it had only 30,000
> members.power has given them political advantage.Kerala is
> also giving such example.We can get this anwer from EMS's
> tactical line.recently,vijay prashad wrote that they didn't
> think that whether cpim could rule in such a longer
> period?.people need immediate reliefs.Party is in the grip of
> middle class elements.upward mobility is the classic dream
> of a petty bourgeoise.
> now,they are speaking in multiple voices....,i am seeing an
> example of indian politics.and rise and fall of a
> movement.from More than 3000 villages were in the hands of
> this party in telegana to electoral victory of indian federal
> system.
> now we can say the making and unmaking of a movement in indian poltical
> democracy.Indian society is more vibrant than ever.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 26/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Abdul Rasheed <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Dialogue with Congress
> > To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 2:00 PM
> > That is better. What we are seeing is, when
> > a congress supporter criticize CPI-M or the Left, he
> himself
> > claims impartial----- just a trick to avoid questions
> > back....
> >
> >
> > You are better in that
> > case
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Rasheed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM,
> > damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > A.Rasheed,
> > Thank you for helping me to know where I stand. Now I
> > may like to sit there as well.
> > btw, the CPM has become incredible, we know (as in
> > incredible India)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM,
> > Abdul Rasheed <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Why dont we
> > dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better
> vision
> > of future than the anachronistic views of Left
> > (non-traditonal also included)
> > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM
> votaries.
> > It is not going to help us nor them...
> >
> >
> > Mr. D.Prasad, this
> > statement underlines where you stand..
> >
> > What is the better
> > vision of congress?
> > More than 70% of our
> > peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. Where
> is
> > "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now?
> >
> > "incredible
> > India"
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Rasheed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM,
> > damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Viswanath,
> > See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do
> > some serious introspection, then the trends and
> indications
> > has quite no: of lessons for them to internalize and
> > practice..
> >
> > However, nothing like that is going to happen.
> >
> > Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on
> the
> > verdict so that they dont have to face the ire of top
> brass
> > while things are being reported and argued from the
> > "Other" side.
> >
> > Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM
> > and argue so that contrary arguments are placed
> > vehmently.
> >
> > I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests
> > to argue for anyside and mind that when CPM state
> commt.
> > is discussing the verdict, it is better to listen to
> what
> > CPM has to say on the verdict.
> >
> > For so long, Left and
> > CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the
> discussion.The
> > arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The
> Left and
> > CPM reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM
> > & Left.
> >
> >
> > High time, we remove CPM
> > from there. Why dont we dialogue with Congress?... a
> party
> > which has a better vision of future than the
> anachronistic
> > views of Left (non-traditonal also included)
> >
> > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM
> votaries.
> > It is not going to help us nor them...
> >
> > damodar prasad
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM,
> > C.K. Vishwanath <ck_vishwanath2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > -the left democratic politics of kerala led by
> CPIM has
> > got a severe set back.the switching of the character
> of
> > kerala voter-this analysis won't give much confidence
> to
> > the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the
> Telegraph).The
> > real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed
> party
> > votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the
> active
> > supporters of the party are searching for new
> > alternatives.this is really a challenging
> scenario.from the
> > days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other
> local
> > issues never affected the party vote bank of these
> > areas.PARTY is total-this is lost.the contradiction
> between
> > party and people is sharpening.This impact is so deep
> in the
> > history of CPIM.
> >
> > Just before the election,the cpim central committee
> member
> > A.k. padmabhan given an interview to world socialist
> web in
> > which he said that the administrative power which we
> got has
> > no meaning at all.And this is not a political
> power.The
> > problem is that they are sill failing to give a good
> > governance to the people.
> >
> > Even people's democratic path is far off.And
> socialism
> > is very far off.He underlined the comments of EMS in
> > 1957.And globalisation process has cut off the funds
> getting
> > from the central govt.
> > there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral
> > games,governance etc in the political praxis of cpim.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Abdul Rasheed <rasheed...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and
> Little
> > Bo-Peep
> > > To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > > Mr. D. Prasad,
> > >
> > > You taking out just a
> > > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and
> defining
> > it.
> > > As you said, a small swing can change the
> victory to
> > one
> > > side and that is what happened here.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course, there
> > > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal
> problems
> > > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF
> > > partners also vote against them to an extend.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > A large scale voters
> > > from BJP did vote for Congress
> > > (comparing with last
> > > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is
> not
> > right
> > > because last time, BJP got more percentage due
> to
> > personal
> >
> > > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP -
> Anyway we
> > can
> > > say approximately they lost between 4-5 %
> votes).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually PDP do not
> > > have much vote share - now their vote bank is
> > actually with
> >
> > > NDF and NDF supported UDF.
> > > present NDF cadres are
> > > once PDP/ISS workers.
> > >
> > > A section of people did
> > > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They
> did
> > not
> > > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani
> > and
> >
> > > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better
> choice)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Minorities (A section of
> > > muslims and christians) worked against LDF
> > >
> > >
> > > But even after all these
> > > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is
> only
> > 2
> >
> > > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M
> > still
> > > remains STRONG.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Rasheed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM,
> >
> > > damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If any one has missed reading this Devika's
> witty
> > > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009
> > LS
> >
> > > elections, pls. follow the link:
> > > http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607
> >
> > >
> > > a precise excerpt from this is as follows:
> > >
> > > The CPM leadership doesn’t
> > > seemed to have learned anything from this
> thrashing,
> > though.
> > > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that
> the
> > CPM’s
> >
> > > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638
> and
> > > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we
> would
> > like
> > > to remind him that there is little consolation to
> be
> > drawn
> > > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF
> and
> > the UDF
> >
> > > are more or less equally matched and a small
> swing can
> > alter
> > > the balance. This time the swing was certainly
> not
> > small,
> > > compared with earlier elections, which is
> something
> > the
> > > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides,
> the
> > erosion of
> >
> > > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas
> of
> > strength;
> > > therefore it is not as if the non-political
> strata
> > decided
> > > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are
> loyal,
> > while
> > > the support received in non-core areas may be
> driven
> > by
> >
> > > other, more local calculations. This is evident
> to the
> > most
> > > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers
> are so
> > used
> > > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are
> morons
> > —
> > > and hence continues dish out such weak argument.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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