Dear damodar, i have to write some points here. i have been looking through the cpim politics. the politics of CPIM is seriously being challenged now.The top leadership of the party saying that alienation from the people is a reality(from sitaram yechuri to budhadev battacharya).this party learned indian people-How did the state-party system rule?can we forget the struggles of food movement,agrarian struggles etc?actually,Bengal is the product of these movements.One of the main reason of the failure of this movement is that they don't know how to lead indian democarcy within a liberal democratic frame work.the strategic goal is socialism.When?prabat patnaik says that it will be happening only a longer period. later,it was transformed into a party of organised dictatorship of the salaried class(thanks to pranab bradan) and ashok mitra says that feudal culture added with petty bourgeoise ambitions.What i am seeing is the struggle based movement using the opportunity of indian democratic space which has converted into a an institution building.here,i like to compare this party with italian communist party.later,they had to give up the name of communist party. this is a time,a serious introspection is coming from internal circles to civil society. recent assertions of the indian society after emergency,we can't see this party.during emergency period,When surendra mohan(idealogue of the socialist party met pramodas gupta to discuss about the fighting emergency,he said that we are class enemy of indira gandhi,so,we have to think of it. Confusion is always there,when undivided communist party came to power in 1957,failure of culcutta thesis,naxal bari,emergency etc-and yet another setback from this election. When came to power in W.bengal,it had only 30,000 members.power has given them political advantage.Kerala is also giving such example.We can get this anwer from EMS's tactical line.recently,vijay prashad wrote that they didn't think that whether cpim could rule in such a longer period.people need immediate reliefs.Party is in the grip of middle class elements.upward mobility is the classic dream of a petty bourgeoise. now,they are speaking in multiple voices....,i am seeing an example of indian politics.and rice and fall of a movement.from More than 3000 villages in the hands of this party in telegana to elctoral victory of indian federal system.
--- On Tue, 26/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Dialogue with Congress > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 2:00 PM > That is better. What we are seeing is, when > a congress supporter criticize CPI-M or the Left, he himself > claims impartial----- just a trick to avoid questions > back.... > > > You are better in that > case > > regards > > Rasheed > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, > damodar prasad <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > A.Rasheed, > Thank you for helping me to know where I stand. Now I > may like to sit there as well. > btw, the CPM has become incredible, we know (as in > incredible India)? > > > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM, > Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Why dont we > dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better vision > of future than the anachronistic views of Left > (non-traditonal also included) > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. > It is not going to help us nor them... > > > Mr. D.Prasad, this > statement underlines where you stand.. > > What is the better > vision of congress? > More than 70% of our > peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. Where is > "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now? > > "incredible > India" > > regards > > Rasheed > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM, > damodar prasad <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Dear Viswanath, > See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do > some serious introspection, then the trends and indications > has quite no: of lessons for them to internalize and > practice.. > > However, nothing like that is going to happen. > > Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on the > verdict so that they dont have to face the ire of top brass > while things are being reported and argued from the > "Other" side. > > Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM > and argue so that contrary arguments are placed > vehmently. > > I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests > to argue for anyside and mind that when CPM state commt. > is discussing the verdict, it is better to listen to what > CPM has to say on the verdict. > > For so long, Left and > CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the discussion.The > arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The Left and > CPM reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM > & Left. > > > High time, we remove CPM > from there. Why dont we dialogue with Congress?... a party > which has a better vision of future than the anachronistic > views of Left (non-traditonal also included) > > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. > It is not going to help us nor them... > > damodar prasad > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, > C.K. Vishwanath <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > -the left democratic politics of kerala led by CPIM has > got a severe set back.the switching of the character of > kerala voter-this analysis won't give much confidence to > the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the Telegraph).The > real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed party > votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the active > supporters of the party are searching for new > alternatives.this is really a challenging scenario.from the > days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other local > issues never affected the party vote bank of these > areas.PARTY is total-this is lost.the contradiction between > party and people is sharpening.This impact is so deep in the > history of CPIM. > > Just before the election,the cpim central committee member > A.k. padmabhan given an interview to world socialist web in > which he said that the administrative power which we got has > no meaning at all.And this is not a political power.The > problem is that they are sill failing to give a good > governance to the people. > > Even people's democratic path is far off.And socialism > is very far off.He underlined the comments of EMS in > 1957.And globalisation process has cut off the funds getting > from the central govt. > there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral > games,governance etc in the political praxis of cpim. > > > --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and Little > Bo-Peep > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM > > > > > Mr. D. Prasad, > > > > You taking out just a > > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and defining > it. > > As you said, a small swing can change the victory to > one > > side and that is what happened here. > > > > > > > Of course, there > > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal problems > > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF > > partners also vote against them to an extend. > > > > > > > > > A large scale voters > > from BJP did vote for Congress > > (comparing with last > > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is not > right > > because last time, BJP got more percentage due to > personal > > > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP - Anyway we > can > > say approximately they lost between 4-5 % votes). > > > > > > > > Actually PDP do not > > have much vote share - now their vote bank is > actually with > > > NDF and NDF supported UDF. > > present NDF cadres are > > once PDP/ISS workers. > > > > A section of people did > > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They did > not > > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani > and > > > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better choice) > > > > > > > > Minorities (A section of > > muslims and christians) worked against LDF > > > > > > But even after all these > > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is only > 2 > > > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M > still > > remains STRONG. > > > > regards > > > > Rasheed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM, > > > damodar prasad <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > If any one has missed reading this Devika's witty > > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009 > LS > > > elections, pls. follow the link: > > http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607 > > > > > a precise excerpt from this is as follows: > > > > The CPM leadership doesn’t > > seemed to have learned anything from this thrashing, > though. > > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that the > CPM’s > > > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638 and > > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we would > like > > to remind him that there is little consolation to be > drawn > > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF and > the UDF > > > are more or less equally matched and a small swing can > alter > > the balance. This time the swing was certainly not > small, > > compared with earlier elections, which is something > the > > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides, the > erosion of > > > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas of > strength; > > therefore it is not as if the non-political strata > decided > > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are loyal, > while > > the support received in non-core areas may be driven > by > > > other, more local calculations. This is evident to the > most > > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers are so > used > > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are morons > — > > and hence continues dish out such weak argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays > and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Get an email ID as [email protected] or [email protected]. Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
