Once again thank you for the great empathsing response. I rarely get such pleasant responses
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: > *That is better. What we are seeing is, when a congress supporter > criticize CPI-M or the Left, he himself claims impartial----- just a trick > to avoid questions back.... * > ** > *You are better in that case * > ** > *regards * > *Rasheed * > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, damodar prasad > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> A.Rasheed, >> Thank you for helping me to know where I stand. Now I may like to sit >> there as well. >> btw, the CPM has become incredible, we know (as in incredible India)? >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> *Why dont we dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better >>> vision of future than the anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also >>> included) >>> dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not >>> going to help us nor them...* >>> >>> *Mr. D.Prasad, this statement underlines where you stand. * >>> ** >>> *What is the better vision of congress? * >>> *More than 70% of our peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. >>> Where is "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now? * >>> *"incredible India"* >>> ** >>> *regards * >>> *Rasheed * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM, damodar prasad < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Viswanath, >>>> See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do some serious >>>> introspection, then the trends and indications has quite no: of lessons for >>>> them to internalize and practice.. >>>> >>>> However, nothing like that is going to happen. >>>> >>>> Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on the verdict so that >>>> they dont have to face the ire of top brass while things are being reported >>>> and argued from the "Other" side. >>>> >>>> Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM and argue so that >>>> contrary arguments are placed vehmently. >>>> >>>> I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests to argue for >>>> anyside and mind that when CPM state commt. is discussing the verdict, it >>>> is better to listen to what CPM has to say on the verdict. >>>> >>>> *For so long, Left and CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the >>>> discussion.The arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The Left and >>>> CPM >>>> reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM & Left.* >>>> ** >>>> *High time, we remove CPM from there. Why dont we dialogue with >>>> Congress?.. a party which has a better vision of future than the >>>> anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also included) >>>> dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not >>>> going to help us nor them...* >>>> ** >>>> *damodar prasad* >>>> ** >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -the left democratic politics of kerala led by CPIM has got a severe >>>>> set back.the switching of the character of kerala voter-this analysis >>>>> won't >>>>> give much confidence to the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the >>>>> Telegraph).The real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed party >>>>> votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the active supporters of the >>>>> party are searching for new alternatives.this is really a challenging >>>>> scenario.from the days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other local >>>>> issues never affected the party vote bank of these areas.PARTY is >>>>> total-this >>>>> is lost.the contradiction between party and people is sharpening.This >>>>> impact >>>>> is so deep in the history of CPIM. >>>>> Just before the election,the cpim central committee member A.k. >>>>> padmabhan given an interview to world socialist web in which he said that >>>>> the administrative power which we got has no meaning at all.And this is >>>>> not >>>>> a political power.The problem is that they are sill failing to give a good >>>>> governance to the people. >>>>> Even people's democratic path is far off.And socialism is very far >>>>> off.He underlined the comments of EMS in 1957.And globalisation process >>>>> has >>>>> cut off the funds getting from the central govt. >>>>> there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral games,governance etc in >>>>> the political praxis of cpim. >>>>> >>>>> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> >>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and Little Bo-Peep >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM >>>>> > Mr. D. Prasad, >>>>> > >>>>> > You taking out just a >>>>> > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and defining it. >>>>> > As you said, a small swing can change the victory to one >>>>> > side and that is what happened here. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Of course, there >>>>> > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal problems >>>>> > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF >>>>> > partners also vote against them to an extend. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > A large scale voters >>>>> > from BJP did vote for Congress >>>>> > (comparing with last >>>>> > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is not right >>>>> > because last time, BJP got more percentage due to personal >>>>> > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP - Anyway we can >>>>> > say approximately they lost between 4-5 % votes). >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Actually PDP do not >>>>> > have much vote share - now their vote bank is actually with >>>>> > NDF and NDF supported UDF. >>>>> > present NDF cadres are >>>>> > once PDP/ISS workers. >>>>> > >>>>> > A section of people did >>>>> > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They did not >>>>> > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani and >>>>> > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better choice) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Minorities (A section of >>>>> > muslims and christians) worked against LDF >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > But even after all these >>>>> > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is only 2 >>>>> > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M still >>>>> > remains STRONG. >>>>> > >>>>> > regards >>>>> > >>>>> > Rasheed >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM, >>>>> > damodar prasad <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > If any one has missed reading this Devika's witty >>>>> > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009 LS >>>>> > elections, pls. follow the link: >>>>> > >>>>> http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607 >>>>> > >>>>> > a precise excerpt from this is as follows: >>>>> > >>>>> > The CPM leadership doesn’t >>>>> > seemed to have learned anything from this thrashing, though. >>>>> > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that the CPM’s >>>>> > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638 and >>>>> > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we would like >>>>> > to remind him that there is little consolation to be drawn >>>>> > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF and the UDF >>>>> > are more or less equally matched and a small swing can alter >>>>> > the balance. This time the swing was certainly not small, >>>>> > compared with earlier elections, which is something the >>>>> > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides, the erosion of >>>>> > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas of strength; >>>>> > therefore it is not as if the non-political strata decided >>>>> > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are loyal, while >>>>> > the support received in non-core areas may be driven by >>>>> > other, more local calculations. This is evident to the most >>>>> > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers are so used >>>>> > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are morons — >>>>> > and hence continues dish out such weak argument. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! >>>>> India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
