*That is better. What we are seeing is, when a congress supporter criticize CPI-M or the Left, he himself claims impartial----- just a trick to avoid questions back.... * ** *You are better in that case * ** *regards * *Rasheed *
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, damodar prasad <[email protected]>wrote: > A.Rasheed, > Thank you for helping me to know where I stand. Now I may like to sit there > as well. > btw, the CPM has become incredible, we know (as in incredible India)? > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]>wrote: > >> *Why dont we dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better vision >> of future than the anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also >> included) >> dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not >> going to help us nor them...* >> >> *Mr. D.Prasad, this statement underlines where you stand. * >> ** >> *What is the better vision of congress? * >> *More than 70% of our peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. Where >> is "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now? * >> *"incredible India"* >> ** >> *regards * >> *Rasheed * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM, damodar prasad < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Viswanath, >>> See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do some serious >>> introspection, then the trends and indications has quite no: of lessons for >>> them to internalize and practice.. >>> >>> However, nothing like that is going to happen. >>> >>> Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on the verdict so that >>> they dont have to face the ire of top brass while things are being reported >>> and argued from the "Other" side. >>> >>> Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM and argue so that >>> contrary arguments are placed vehmently. >>> >>> I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests to argue for >>> anyside and mind that when CPM state commt. is discussing the verdict, it >>> is better to listen to what CPM has to say on the verdict. >>> >>> *For so long, Left and CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the >>> discussion.The arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The Left and CPM >>> reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM & Left.* >>> ** >>> *High time, we remove CPM from there. Why dont we dialogue with >>> Congress?.. a party which has a better vision of future than the >>> anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also included) >>> dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not >>> going to help us nor them...* >>> ** >>> *damodar prasad* >>> ** >>> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -the left democratic politics of kerala led by CPIM has got a severe >>>> set back.the switching of the character of kerala voter-this analysis won't >>>> give much confidence to the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the >>>> Telegraph).The real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed party >>>> votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the active supporters of the >>>> party are searching for new alternatives.this is really a challenging >>>> scenario.from the days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other local >>>> issues never affected the party vote bank of these areas.PARTY is >>>> total-this >>>> is lost.the contradiction between party and people is sharpening.This >>>> impact >>>> is so deep in the history of CPIM. >>>> Just before the election,the cpim central committee member A.k. >>>> padmabhan given an interview to world socialist web in which he said that >>>> the administrative power which we got has no meaning at all.And this is not >>>> a political power.The problem is that they are sill failing to give a good >>>> governance to the people. >>>> Even people's democratic path is far off.And socialism is very far >>>> off.He underlined the comments of EMS in 1957.And globalisation process has >>>> cut off the funds getting from the central govt. >>>> there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral games,governance etc in >>>> the political praxis of cpim. >>>> >>>> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> >>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and Little Bo-Peep >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM >>>> > Mr. D. Prasad, >>>> > >>>> > You taking out just a >>>> > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and defining it. >>>> > As you said, a small swing can change the victory to one >>>> > side and that is what happened here. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Of course, there >>>> > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal problems >>>> > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF >>>> > partners also vote against them to an extend. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > A large scale voters >>>> > from BJP did vote for Congress >>>> > (comparing with last >>>> > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is not right >>>> > because last time, BJP got more percentage due to personal >>>> > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP - Anyway we can >>>> > say approximately they lost between 4-5 % votes). >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Actually PDP do not >>>> > have much vote share - now their vote bank is actually with >>>> > NDF and NDF supported UDF. >>>> > present NDF cadres are >>>> > once PDP/ISS workers. >>>> > >>>> > A section of people did >>>> > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They did not >>>> > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani and >>>> > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better choice) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Minorities (A section of >>>> > muslims and christians) worked against LDF >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > But even after all these >>>> > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is only 2 >>>> > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M still >>>> > remains STRONG. >>>> > >>>> > regards >>>> > >>>> > Rasheed >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM, >>>> > damodar prasad <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > If any one has missed reading this Devika's witty >>>> > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009 LS >>>> > elections, pls. follow the link: >>>> > >>>> http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607 >>>> > >>>> > a precise excerpt from this is as follows: >>>> > >>>> > The CPM leadership doesn’t >>>> > seemed to have learned anything from this thrashing, though. >>>> > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that the CPM’s >>>> > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638 and >>>> > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we would like >>>> > to remind him that there is little consolation to be drawn >>>> > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF and the UDF >>>> > are more or less equally matched and a small swing can alter >>>> > the balance. This time the swing was certainly not small, >>>> > compared with earlier elections, which is something the >>>> > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides, the erosion of >>>> > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas of strength; >>>> > therefore it is not as if the non-political strata decided >>>> > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are loyal, while >>>> > the support received in non-core areas may be driven by >>>> > other, more local calculations. This is evident to the most >>>> > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers are so used >>>> > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are morons — >>>> > and hence continues dish out such weak argument. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! >>>> India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
