A.Rasheed, Thank you for helping me to know where I stand. Now I may like to sit there as well. btw, the CPM has become incredible, we know (as in incredible India)?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: > *Why dont we dialogue with Congress?.. a party which has a better vision > of future than the anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also > included) > dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not going > to help us nor them...* > > *Mr. D.Prasad, this statement underlines where you stand. * > ** > *What is the better vision of congress? * > *More than 70% of our peoples' daily income is less than 20 Rupees. Where > is "Ghareebe Ghadawo" now? * > *"incredible India"* > ** > *regards * > *Rasheed * > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:24 AM, damodar prasad <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Dear Viswanath, >> See, If Left and CPM in particualr wants to really do some serious >> introspection, then the trends and indications has quite no: of lessons for >> them to internalize and practice.. >> >> However, nothing like that is going to happen. >> >> Btw, many CPM people want non-CPMs to elaborate on the verdict so that >> they dont have to face the ire of top brass while things are being reported >> and argued from the "Other" side. >> >> Descedant Marxists may appear disguised as Pro-CPM and argue so that >> contrary arguments are placed vehmently. >> >> I dont think Viswanath nor me have no such interests to argue for >> anyside and mind that when CPM state commt. is discussing the verdict, it >> is better to listen to what CPM has to say on the verdict. >> >> *For so long, Left and CPM was always loacted on the one-side of the >> discussion.The arguments Pro/Anti/Non but was with the CPM. The Left and CPM >> reigned. The dialogues was with the CPM & Left.* >> ** >> *High time, we remove CPM from there. Why dont we dialogue with >> Congress?.. a party which has a better vision of future than the >> anachronistic views of Left (non-traditonal also included) >> dear viswanath, better to avoid a debate with CPM votaries. It is not >> going to help us nor them...* >> ** >> *damodar prasad* >> ** >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -the left democratic politics of kerala led by CPIM has got a severe >>> set back.the switching of the character of kerala voter-this analysis won't >>> give much confidence to the CPIM.Even ashok mitra has written so(the >>> Telegraph).The real shock is from kannur and vadakara-The committed party >>> votes are no longer in the CPIM account. ,the active supporters of the >>> party are searching for new alternatives.this is really a challenging >>> scenario.from the days of 1940s,culcutta thesis,emergency,and other local >>> issues never affected the party vote bank of these areas.PARTY is total-this >>> is lost.the contradiction between party and people is sharpening.This impact >>> is so deep in the history of CPIM. >>> Just before the election,the cpim central committee member A.k. padmabhan >>> given an interview to world socialist web in which he said that the >>> administrative power which we got has no meaning at all.And this is not a >>> political power.The problem is that they are sill failing to give a good >>> governance to the people. >>> Even people's democratic path is far off.And socialism is very far off.He >>> underlined the comments of EMS in 1957.And globalisation process has cut off >>> the funds getting from the central govt. >>> there are many confusions-pragmatic electoral games,governance etc in the >>> political praxis of cpim. >>> >>> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > From: Abdul Rasheed <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Vaikom Viswan and Little Bo-Peep >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 9:39 PM >>> > Mr. D. Prasad, >>> > >>> > You taking out just a >>> > figure from the article of Vaikom Viswan and defining it. >>> > As you said, a small swing can change the victory to one >>> > side and that is what happened here. >>> > >>> > >>> > Of course, there >>> > was erosion in CPI-M vote base (internal problems >>> > and divisions are the problem) and some LDF >>> > partners also vote against them to an extend. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > A large scale voters >>> > from BJP did vote for Congress >>> > (comparing with last >>> > time it is above 6 % - but that calculation is not right >>> > because last time, BJP got more percentage due to personal >>> > votes of Rajagopal and PC thomas of IFDP - Anyway we can >>> > say approximately they lost between 4-5 % votes). >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Actually PDP do not >>> > have much vote share - now their vote bank is actually with >>> > NDF and NDF supported UDF. >>> > present NDF cadres are >>> > once PDP/ISS workers. >>> > >>> > A section of people did >>> > not vote for LDF due to different reasons (They did not >>> > beleive in Third front, They didn't like Adwani and >>> > Modi and for them Dr.Manmohan was a better choice) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Minorities (A section of >>> > muslims and christians) worked against LDF >>> > >>> > >>> > But even after all these >>> > problems worked against CPI-M (LDF), if there is only 2 >>> > lacks vote they lost from last time, sure, CPI-M still >>> > remains STRONG. >>> > >>> > regards >>> > >>> > Rasheed >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM, >>> > damodar prasad <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > If any one has missed reading this Devika's witty >>> > and sharp take on people's verdict for the 2009 LS >>> > elections, pls. follow the link: >>> > >>> http://kafila.org/2009/05/19/vaikom-viswan-and-little-bo-peep/#more-2607 >>> > >>> > a precise excerpt from this is as follows: >>> > >>> > The CPM leadership doesn’t >>> > seemed to have learned anything from this thrashing, though. >>> > The LDF convenor, Vaikom Viswan, observes that the CPM’s >>> > share of the votes have reduced only by 2,28,638 and >>> > therefore its mass base remains intact. Well, we would like >>> > to remind him that there is little consolation to be drawn >>> > from this. It is a well-known fact that the LDF and the UDF >>> > are more or less equally matched and a small swing can alter >>> > the balance. This time the swing was certainly not small, >>> > compared with earlier elections, which is something the >>> > leaders of the CPM have admitted.And besides, the erosion of >>> > support was most evident in CPM’s core areas of strength; >>> > therefore it is not as if the non-political strata decided >>> > to vote UDF. Voters in core areas usually are loyal, while >>> > the support received in non-core areas may be driven by >>> > other, more local calculations. This is evident to the most >>> > ordinary voter but Vaikom Viswan and his peers are so used >>> > to thinking that the rest of us Malayalees are morons — >>> > and hence continues dish out such weak argument. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! >>> India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
