3e vs. 4e (Was RE: [gurps] Sad day)
> And yet ST and HT are the same price or cheaper than they were, as are
> high levels of DX and IQ. Mental skills cost more than they previously
> did, not less, magic is about the same as it always was (barring some
> spell from the Grimoire that should've been nerfed in translation) as
> long as you keep Magery down to Magery-3 or less. Psionics now cost the
> same as any other power, and aren't massive underpriced in high point-
> value campaigns.
The ST and HT Change is no big deal. Every 3e game I've played in had them at
10 points a level anyway. No matter how you do your math an 18 IQ or DX in 3e
is cheaper then an 18 DX or IQ in 4e. A 30 DX/IQ is 425 points in 3e and 400
points in 4e, what a bargain. Magic is both cheaper and more powerful in 4e.
The big problem with this is that it got more powerful while other character
classes like fighters and thieves were weakened.
Psionics aren't balanced in 4e, they are just way overpriced. They are still
just as abusive as they were in 3e. Now it's just nearly impossibly to make a
well rounded Psi. Plus it takes forever to make one now since you have to
'build' all of the abilities that aren't included in the new edition.
The only real problem with Psionics in 3e was the progression. You had very low
powered Psi's up until level 10-15. After that they started getting godlike
very quickly. Every two levels of Telekinesis should have provided about 1
level of standard strength. Telepathy range should have just been much shorter
(and not doubled every level). Also, many games I've played in and seen played
threw out the rule of 16. When not using this rule Psi's (and mages) were
overpowered.
> > I once played in a 75 point game in 4e. I ended up with a character with
> > 10's in every stat but a 22 skill in Fencing. In a 75 point game, he was
> > pretty effective.
>
> And in 3e you could still get about Fencing-18, which would give a
> fencing parry of 12+PD. Pretty good in 3e.
LOL, well I forgot to mention that my 75 point fencer also had Weapons Master,
Extra Attack and other things. Don't get me wrong, he was only good at fencing,
but you couldn’t have made a fencer half as good as he was in 3e for that
many points.
>
> > I also played in a 200 point game. I ended up with a Mage with 10
> > Magery, 15 IQ and all of the spells I wanted in the 20's.
> >
> > Again, 4e is just broken.
>
> And in 3e using extended Magery rules the 205 points you spent on
> IQ+Magery would buy IQ17 + Magery-7, which is only one point lower in
> terms of IQ+Magery, still lets you buy all spells at 20+ for one point,
> and makes your mental skills even cheaper. How is 4e more broken?
Well, for one thing, characters usually have more points in 4e then in 3e. A
200 point character in 4e is an average character, 200 points in 3e is a big
deal. Also, the 4e character is throwing around 30d fireballs compared to the
3e characters 7d fireballs. The skill level isn't as important as what the mage
can do with it IMO.
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strong Lord, so that she might learn a hoe's place. Amen
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