I firmly believe that what you have laid out here would be a constructive direction for the list to follow. To be honest, I have been seriously considering leaving the group, as it seems to have evolved into a forum consisting of GW defenders versus Those of us who were trying to find their way through problem situations.

If our forum's intent is going to be to constructively assist those who are having issues while offering constructive suggestions on how to improve the product, then I will stay with pleasure. If my every problem with the product is going to be met with the sort of hate mail which has been sent by certain group members to me exclusively without sharing their invectives with the group for reasons that I truly cannot sort out, then I will wish you all well and move on. Candidly, I don't welcome that sort of spam.

Truly, I would rather stay and be a positive force. But I cannot be a defender of the group's status quo. I am intrigued by what you have suggested here Sam and truly hope that it will represent the group's direction. If it does, I will be an enthusiastic member.

   Larry


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----- Original Message ----- From: Sam bushman
 To: [email protected]
 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:17 PM
 Subject: Questions and thoughts about the direction of Window Eyes


 Hi all,

It seems to me that there have been several people on this list that have had problems with the latest version of WE.
 I have been one of them at times.
Others seem to have the product work perfectly out of the box and haven't experienced any of the troubles that others have. I know GW is doing there very best to duplicate and resolve any issues that arise. I do think 7.01 is much more stable and responsive than 7.0 was and that is a good thing. I also agree that if you turn scripting off ... the software becomes much more stable on some machines as well. I realize that each machine is different ... has different software installed etc and that truly has a huge affect on how WE works because there are so many variables involved. Some have turned to attacking the GW staff and others have completely been unwilling to even install / use 7.x.
 Still others seem to be doing great with out problems to speak of.
Last there are most of us who live with the short comings of the software and do our best in spite of it all. No matter what camp you are in ... I believe that it would be good to set aside our differences and see if we could all come together and work towards solutions. Several have mentioned that we need a tiny speech program to run when WE loses speech.
 That is what I have pushed for with out any real response.

I know that GW has not been willing in the past to discuss features that will be included in the next versions of WE. To some degree I understand this because it's hard to know in advance what issues may crop up etc.

 However, I do believe that a general priority list may be helpful.
For example we have been told that after 7.0 they will rewrite browse mode.
 But, we have no idea when ... 7.5  9.0  11.6 etc?
 We do know it's coming but, that's all we know.
 We have no idea how many changes / features are before this one.
I would like to ask GW Micro on this list if they will provide a general idea of what they are working on and in general in what order and a loose general time frame for completion.

I bought an SMA just before the release of 7.0 to decrease costs and to make sure I received a CD for each release.
 But, none of the features I really need appeared in 7.x.
I got a cd for 7.0 but, now that 7.01 is out I don't even have a cd for the latest install. So, to make things clear ... I am not even sure what I am doing running 7.01.

 In general we got the following in 7.x.
 1.  Scripting.
 2. Some bugs fixed but, I am not sure we should be paying for bug fixes.
 3.  Itunes support.
 I don't need any of the above.

Now the things I really need and things I was hoping for in 7.x (I really hope for in the next release but, have no idea if we will get).
 These are in no particular order.

 1.  Losing speech kept to a minumim.
 This problem has become worse not better over time.
 2.  Stable fixed browse mode.
Needs to let me switch back and forth between programs that use it with out problems.
 3.  JAVA Support.
 4. Support for 64Bit OS.
 We are truly at a disadvantage when we go computer shopping with out it.

 Is there any way to develop a list of items of most importance?
Is there any way to have the list members help GW understand our wants and needs as the software moves forward with further development? Setting aside our own personal needs can we as a group agree on what things should be at the top of the list? Is there any way for the GW staff to give us some idea of what criteria they use in deciding on what the next feature set will be? Is some one on the GW staff willing to create this list with all of our input?

Please only write messages to the list regarding this message if you are interested in adding something to the discussion. If you are just going to tell me ... we already have this and we don't need that ... I frankly don't want to hear it. If you are going to try to protect GW don't waste your time, I am not attacking them. I am trying to see if we as a group can productively focus on things we need the most in our access solution.
 Thanks so much.

 Sam Bushman


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