I was making a point, the pacmate is working on the windows mobile opperating system. If you can't see that, lol oh dear...
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 February 2009 16:58 To: Raj; Darren Harris Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: notetakers and mainstream products Except that he wasn't comparing JAWS to any GW Micro product, was he?--D.K. On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:51:37 -0500, "Raj" <[email protected]> said: > I spoke on this before when some one wanted to rip my guts out for > mentioning the word "JAWS" on this list, and what I was saying was if we > don't compare, how can we get a better product, for to know how good > something is, it will have to be compared with similar items. That's > logic > guys!. So, when JAWS is mentioned here in a logical way, we need to stop > being so limited and have a proper discussion. > > All the best, > > Raj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren Harris" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "'E.'" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: RE: notetakers and mainstream products > > > > Oh grow up and stop being such a stupid fool. It's logic. If you > > can't see that then I really do feel sorry for you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 02 February 2009 16:20 > > To: Darren Harris; 'E.' > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: notetakers and mainstream products > > > > > > And why are you using profanity and talking about JAWS on a > > GW-Micro-run list?--D.K. > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:11:19 -0000, "Darren Harris" > > <[email protected]> said: > >> Ok, so answer me this question. If such a product has not yet been > >> developed, then why is that the case? Why haven't fs released a > >> standalone version of jaws for mobile devices, instead you have to > >> buy > > > >> the whole pacmate bundle. A standalone pocket jaws, would be far > >> more cheaper and also sell far more readily than the alternative > >> would it not? So yes if that would be an advantage for you to have, > >> how comes assuming a product like that hasn't yet been developed, > >> you have to ask yourself why don't you. Because in order for a > >> pacmate to work for > > > >> example, they would have to make their version of jaws work with > >> what we now know as windows mobile. So why is there not a > >> standalone version of jaws on the market? How comes it's just code > >> factory? Am not including smart hal because well, it's just so > >> buggy isn't it. So who really does have the corner in the market > >> there. Because they have > > > >> finally done the logical thing. Which is to make those mainstream > >> devices accessible. And now there are braille devices that can > >> equally > > > >> do the job. So forgive me what really is the fus why are people > >> still wasting their own personal finances or that of an > >> organization on so called blind friendly products? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: E. [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: 02 February 2009 16:01 > >> To: Darren Harris > >> Cc: [email protected] > >> Subject: notetakers and mainstream products > >> > >> > >> Your points are all well taken. I suggest that off the shelf > >> products and specially developed notetakers may be different > >> products. Thus the discussion is valuable, if comparing is possible > >> understanding their differences. One of these differences is the > >> availability of Grade Two braille input. The Braille Sense and > >> Humanware notetakers do allow somebody to input using Grade Two > >> braille. This input option may be faster for somebody with good > >> braille writing skills who needs to take down verbatum transcripts > >> or who wants to input notes rapidly. In this case, the notetaker > >> user is paying for the braille translation software in the > >> notetaker. > >> > >> Off the shelf and notetakers are sometimes actually different > >> products, as in this case. They each have advantages and > >> disadvantages depending on the needs of an individual. This is a > >> useful discussion if framed in something other than either or > >> terms. > >> > >> I would personally like a braille display which contained a braille > >> translator if possible but did not have the weight of either the > >> braille sense or other notetakers. > >> > >> At 09:55 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: > >> >It's not arrogance, it's about financial practicality. How much > >> >are you > >> > >> >as a person or organization really spending on these products when > >> >if they did just a little more research, they could find that > >> >doing > > things > >> > >> >with a more mainstream approach in mind would actually be cheaper > >> >and achieve the same thing? People want Braille displays, fine, > >> >let them have them. But you don't need the likes of the voice > >> >sense which as > > has > >> > >> >already been pointed out, is like all the rest of the note taking > >> >devices, not mainstream, not able to run third party aps therefore > >> >inflexible. For the money that the likes of the adaptive tech > > companies > >> > >> >charge for these devices I would expect them to come in platinum > >> >casings!! > >> > > >> >A lot of windows based phones nowa days are accessible to code > >> >factories mobile speak pocket or smart phone. There are Braille > >> >displays out there that will connect to these devices. And these > >> >devices are getting far more powerful than my old htc that I had, > >> >mobile speak is making advances all the time, code factory are the > > only > >> > >> >ones who have yet realised and got a fully working product out > >> >there that can work on these mainstream products. And at a much > >> >more affordable price than the blind friendly alternatives. As for > > keyboard > >> >issues, well again, there's wi-fi connectivity, USB, and Bluetooth > >> >options on these devices now. So there's absolutely no reason why > > such > >> >a keyboard cannot be used in given situations. I've seen them. So > >> >no it's not arrogance at all, it just saddens me to think that all > >> >these > > > >> >organizations, access to work, voc rehab and all the other > >> >organizations that provide people in employment with such devices > >> >as these, because of lack of research, are being effectively > >> >ripped off. > > > >> >It's like another difference, the difference between trekker and > >> >wayfinder access. 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