Oh grow up and stop being such a stupid fool. It's logic. If you can't see that then I really do feel sorry for you.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 February 2009 16:20 To: Darren Harris; 'E.' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: notetakers and mainstream products And why are you using profanity and talking about JAWS on a GW-Micro-run list?--D.K. On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:11:19 -0000, "Darren Harris" <[email protected]> said: > Ok, so answer me this question. If such a product has not yet been > developed, then why is that the case? Why haven't fs released a > standalone version of jaws for mobile devices, instead you have to buy > the whole pacmate bundle. A standalone pocket jaws, would be far more > cheaper and also sell far more readily than the alternative would it > not? So yes if that would be an advantage for you to have, how comes > assuming a product like that hasn't yet been developed, you have to > ask yourself why don't you. Because in order for a pacmate to work for > example, they would have to make their version of jaws work with what > we now know as windows mobile. So why is there not a standalone > version of jaws on the market? How comes it's just code factory? Am > not including smart hal because well, it's just so buggy isn't it. So > who really does have the corner in the market there. Because they have > finally done the logical thing. Which is to make those mainstream > devices accessible. And now there are braille devices that can equally > do the job. So forgive me what really is the fus why are people still > wasting their own personal finances or that of an organization on so > called blind friendly products? > > -----Original Message----- > From: E. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 February 2009 16:01 > To: Darren Harris > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: notetakers and mainstream products > > > Your points are all well taken. I suggest that off the shelf products > and specially developed notetakers may be different products. Thus > the discussion is valuable, if comparing is possible understanding > their differences. > One of these differences is the availability of Grade Two braille > input. The Braille Sense and Humanware notetakers do allow somebody > to input using Grade Two braille. This input option may be faster for > somebody with good braille writing skills who needs to take down > verbatum transcripts or who wants to input notes rapidly. In this > case, the notetaker user is paying for the braille translation > software in the notetaker. > > Off the shelf and notetakers are sometimes actually different > products, as in this case. They each have advantages and > disadvantages depending on the needs of an individual. This is a > useful discussion if framed in something other than either or terms. > > I would personally like a braille display which contained a braille > translator if possible but did not have the weight of either the > braille sense or other notetakers. > > At 09:55 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: > >It's not arrogance, it's about financial practicality. How much are > >you > > >as a person or organization really spending on these products when if > >they did just a little more research, they could find that doing things > > >with a more mainstream approach in mind would actually be cheaper and > >achieve the same thing? People want Braille displays, fine, let them > >have them. But you don't need the likes of the voice sense which as has > > >already been pointed out, is like all the rest of the note taking > >devices, not mainstream, not able to run third party aps therefore > >inflexible. For the money that the likes of the adaptive tech companies > > >charge for these devices I would expect them to come in platinum > >casings!! > > > >A lot of windows based phones nowa days are accessible to code > >factories mobile speak pocket or smart phone. There are Braille > >displays out there that will connect to these devices. And these > >devices are getting far more powerful than my old htc that I had, > >mobile speak is making advances all the time, code factory are the only > > >ones who have yet realised and got a fully working product out there > >that can work on these mainstream products. And at a much more > >affordable price than the blind friendly alternatives. As for keyboard > >issues, well again, there's wi-fi connectivity, USB, and Bluetooth > >options on these devices now. So there's absolutely no reason why such > >a keyboard cannot be used in given situations. I've seen them. So no > >it's not arrogance at all, it just saddens me to think that all these > >organizations, access to work, voc rehab and all the other > >organizations that provide people in employment with such devices as > >these, because of lack of research, are being effectively ripped off. > >It's like another difference, the difference between trekker and > >wayfinder access. As well as all the other things you carry about with > >you, why would you want to carry round an additional PDA which looks > >like it's been slapped together by someone who hasn't even gone through > > >kindergarten yet, when you can have 1 single phone, with an optional > >external gps device should you not want to use the internal one and yes > > >there are reasons for and against that, and the programme on the > >phone? > > >Sorry but it's ludicrous! > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > sender only. 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