Ok, so answer me this question. If such a product has not yet been developed, then why is that the case? Why haven't fs released a standalone version of jaws for mobile devices, instead you have to buy the whole pacmate bundle. A standalone pocket jaws, would be far more cheaper and also sell far more readily than the alternative would it not? So yes if that would be an advantage for you to have, how comes assuming a product like that hasn't yet been developed, you have to ask yourself why don't you. Because in order for a pacmate to work for example, they would have to make their version of jaws work with what we now know as windows mobile. So why is there not a standalone version of jaws on the market? How comes it's just code factory? Am not including smart hal because well, it's just so buggy isn't it. So who really does have the corner in the market there. Because they have finally done the logical thing. Which is to make those mainstream devices accessible. And now there are braille devices that can equally do the job. So forgive me what really is the fus why are people still wasting their own personal finances or that of an organization on so called blind friendly products?
-----Original Message----- From: E. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 February 2009 16:01 To: Darren Harris Cc: [email protected] Subject: notetakers and mainstream products Your points are all well taken. I suggest that off the shelf products and specially developed notetakers may be different products. Thus the discussion is valuable, if comparing is possible understanding their differences. One of these differences is the availability of Grade Two braille input. The Braille Sense and Humanware notetakers do allow somebody to input using Grade Two braille. This input option may be faster for somebody with good braille writing skills who needs to take down verbatum transcripts or who wants to input notes rapidly. In this case, the notetaker user is paying for the braille translation software in the notetaker. Off the shelf and notetakers are sometimes actually different products, as in this case. They each have advantages and disadvantages depending on the needs of an individual. This is a useful discussion if framed in something other than either or terms. I would personally like a braille display which contained a braille translator if possible but did not have the weight of either the braille sense or other notetakers. At 09:55 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: >It's not arrogance, it's about financial practicality. How much are you >as a person or organization really spending on these products when if >they did just a little more research, they could find that doing things >with a more mainstream approach in mind would actually be cheaper and >achieve the same thing? People want Braille displays, fine, let them >have them. But you don't need the likes of the voice sense which as has >already been pointed out, is like all the rest of the note taking >devices, not mainstream, not able to run third party aps therefore >inflexible. For the money that the likes of the adaptive tech companies >charge for these devices I would expect them to come in platinum >casings!! > >A lot of windows based phones nowa days are accessible to code >factories mobile speak pocket or smart phone. There are Braille >displays out there that will connect to these devices. And these >devices are getting far more powerful than my old htc that I had, >mobile speak is making advances all the time, code factory are the only >ones who have yet realised and got a fully working product out there >that can work on these mainstream products. And at a much more >affordable price than the blind friendly alternatives. As for keyboard >issues, well again, there's wi-fi connectivity, USB, and Bluetooth >options on these devices now. So there's absolutely no reason why such >a keyboard cannot be used in given situations. I've seen them. So no >it's not arrogance at all, it just saddens me to think that all these >organizations, access to work, voc rehab and all the other >organizations that provide people in employment with such devices as >these, because of lack of research, are being effectively ripped off. >It's like another difference, the difference between trekker and >wayfinder access. As well as all the other things you carry about with >you, why would you want to carry round an additional PDA which looks >like it's been slapped together by someone who hasn't even gone through >kindergarten yet, when you can have 1 single phone, with an optional >external gps device should you not want to use the internal one and yes >there are reasons for and against that, and the programme on the phone? >Sorry but it's ludicrous! If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. All GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo, and can be searched through and sorted using the search form at the bottom of the page. If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send a message to [email protected] and include leave gw-info in the body of the message. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1930 - Release Date: 02/02/09 07:51:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1930 - Release Date: 02/02/09 07:51:00 If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. All GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo, and can be searched through and sorted using the search form at the bottom of the page. If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send a message to [email protected] and include leave gw-info in the body of the message.
