hey I did not say GW-Micro was a privately owned business, they were the once who did. I called them a company and they told me that they weren't one so don't come back at me with that. I hate companies like GW-Micro but I like window-eyes. fine get ripped off if you want but when GW-Micro is the top leader and they are charging you for every little thing and they start suing other companies like freedom don't say that you did not SEE that coming. You know that saying that money and power corrupt and GW-Micro is no special thing. Freedom Scientific was really great at one point but now money and power has gotten to them and they are seeing things like they really are. I am only with window-eyes until something better comes out. It is nothing just against GW-Micro but I hate companies that try to rinse you dry of your money when they know that you have none. and no I would not be singing GW praises. I am not a retarded person to be doing that. but maybe some people that responded to this would..... and Toyota is not charging the people to bring there cars in. I never said that I want GW to make perfect software it would be nice if they did not act like other companies.

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From: "Robert Clark" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:56 PM
To: "GW-Micro" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode

Juan,
If Window Eyes was perfect in all respects, would you not be delighted and would you not be singing GW's praises?

   You think those with sight have it made?  Look at Toyota.

It bites when we pay a grand for software that has a problem or 2. But show me any company, whatever its status, that can produce perfect software. Show me a company that produces mainstream products that is perfect out of the box no matter whose hands its in.

Being blind sucks but what do we do about it? Bitching about our sad fate wont get us anywhere. Be thankful we live in a society that does not view us as defects and rid the worlld of us. I am deafblind so I have a double whammy to deal with. Whats worse is, I know what its like to have perfectly normal vision, and slowly losing it over the years. Now if that aint grounds for some serious bitching, I dont know what is.

If you feel that the adaptive technology companies (or privately owned businesses) are screwing the disabled, what are you doing about it? Are you advocating for change? Are you leading the fight to right the wrongs? If you are, you wont find too many fdlowers unless you change your mindset.

YTes, it IS frustrating to be blind and having to spend fortunes just to be on a par with the sighted world. But at least, we have the ability to adapt. I ask again, where would we be without companies (oh sorry, privately owned business)like GW?

Face it. Its tough. Imagine being blind and living in a world without any adaptive technology except for a wooden stick as a mobility device. No braille, no computer based speech. No thanks. I rather make lemonade out of my lemons.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Gonzalez" <[email protected]> To: "Robert Clark" <[email protected]>; "GW-Micro" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode


Okay well GW-Micro should not do normal business practices because this is why people with disabilities get most affected. You think that if I did not have a disability and I could work and go to school at the same time and had good income that I would be bitching about this? I hear people with vision problems talk about how expensive there adapted technology is and they do that because they know that they cannot afford to pay 3 grand for a Braille printer or 1 grand for something to help them use their computers. Unless they are rich they will bitch about it. I am just trying to see if GW-Micro gets away from the normal business practices because if they can learn anything from Freedom Scientific is that they should not try to be the top dog but to run with the rest of the pack and just keep improving their products. We need a break from all of this expensive stuff because we all know that people with disabilities are one of the least employed. If people with sight have a hard time finding a job what tells you that somebody with a disability will have it easy. And what is this company thing? Last time I called GW-Micro a company they corrected me and said that they were a privately owned business so let's not compare them with a company

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From: "Robert Clark" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:10 PM
To: "GW-Micro" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode

Normal business practice. I hav epaid shipping one way many times. I also have had free shipping both ways too, depending on what the issue was. Maging comments like "they have more money than I do" wont help any.

Without companies like FS, GW, AT&T, etc. where would we be? Still living in the dark ages.

I have been told many times, "if its not our fault, the tab is on you". So I make damn sure the fault is theirs before I commit.

And no, not all businesses operate the same way. Some go beyond the call of duty while others fall short.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Gonzalez" <[email protected]> To: "Doug Geoffray" <[email protected]>; "GW-Micro" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode


This is why I hate businesses! Instead of helping they find the easiest way to take our money and the easiest way to get out of paying for something. I know for a fact that they have more money than I will ever have and I am trying to help them figure out if there software has a problem or if it is just my computer. Now instead of saying we will pay for you to send your computer to see what is wrong because you have already paid or are paying over a thousand dollars for our product but nooo. Now I have to pay for Me to send my computer to them to see what is wrong with their software. Doug tells me that it is like my phone service which is ran by a company and to my knowledge GW-Micro is not a company but a privately own business. Anyways why should all businesses be the same. It would be nice if they gave us a break for once. I am trying to help other people too with this problem not just me. I don't know but this is kind of ridiculous. I am not saying that I can't pay to ship it there but then I get this crap that if it is not window-eyes related I have to pay to get my computer back. good luck resolving this problem. Window-eyes it is not your fault but the fault of the people that created you.



From: Doug Geoffray
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:06 PM
To: GW-Micro
Cc: Juan Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode


I need to add to what Aaron stated. We have received machines where the problem was clearly not a Window-Eyes issue. In this case we do not cover the shipping costs back. It is just like if you have a problem with your phone service they are very clear that if the problem exists outside your house the service is free but if the problem is inside then you pay for the service call and any work beyond that you authorized.

So if we determine the problem is not Window-Eyes related then we do not cover the shipping charges back. Also, before sending any computer it needs to be cleared by our support department. Any computer sent without prior authorization will be held until payment methods are given to us to have it returned.

Regards,
Doug

Aaron Smith wrote:
You pay to ship the machine to us, and then we pay to ship it back, using the same shipping method. In other words, if you ship it ground, we'll ship it back ground. If you ship it overnight, we'll ship it back overnight. If you insure it for $3,000, we'll insure it for $3,000. The turn around time depends on what the problem is, and what it will take to get it resolved. We treat customer machines with the utmost priority, and put all available resources into getting the problems resolved and getting the machine back to you within an accepted amount of time.

 Aaron

 On 3/18/2010 1:18 PM, Juan Gonzalez wrote:
   well I figured that but do I have to pay for shipping?


   From: Aaron Smith
   Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:14 PM
   To: Juan Gonzalez
   Cc: GW-Micro
   Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode


   You send us the machine, we fix the problem, we ship it back.

   Aaron

   On 3/18/2010 1:09 PM, Juan Gonzalez wrote:
Could you refresh my mind on how does this sending computers to GW-Micro thing works?


     From: Aaron Smith
     Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:03 PM
     To: [email protected]
     Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode


I just tried putting my 64-bit Win7 machine to sleep several times using 7.2 Beta 2, and I've not run into any problems. If we're going to get this one resolved, we need to have a machine here in the office that demonstrates the problem.

     Aaron


         From: Chris Hill <[email protected]>
         To: [email protected]
         Subject: Re: Window-eyes and sleep mode

I get the same thing in 7, both pre and post beta. I was hoping the beta would fix it, but I guess not. It happens about one out of three times here.

         On 3/18/2010 10:20, Juan Gonzalez wrote:



           Hey folks

I do not know if this is a known issue or if this just happens to my computer but when I put my computer into sleep mode window-eyes sometimes stops working on wakeup. Sometimes it will work fine and other times it works but with problems. When it works with problems and when it does not work at all I have to restart my computer which gets me thinking that I should have just turned it off in the first place. I want to be able to have the same opportunity to use the sleep feature on a computer without having to restart it. If there are scripts to this please let me know and if there is something that I have to change in window-eyes please let me know as well. This happens in windows vista 32 bit home premium and is not a result of the new update to window-eyes
           7.2 beta.

PS I was just informed by my college institution that they have received there copy of window-eyes and are ready to move away from JAWS and they
           will have it up and running after spring break.

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