And the prophets got the idea from Leviticus. You know, the book that some people think is only about stoning witches and other controversial people.
Susan Ellman, MLS Milwaukee (formerly librarian at Cong. EmanuEl B'ne Jeshurun) On Jun 6, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Andrea Rapp wrote: > Your interaction with your colleague is so funny (but in a way, not). I was > once in a class where I was the only Jew, the teacher spoke about how ideas > of compassion for the poor, and justice originate in Christianity and its > scripture; I said: what do you mean, these ideas are found in the Prophets, > and other books, and it emerged that my classmates did not think of those > books as belonging to Jews at all. When I asked: who do you think wrote > them, there was only silence. > Andrea Rapp > > --- On Wed, 6/6/12, Bernstein, Steven (Library) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > From: Bernstein, Steven (Library) <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] RDA and the Bible > To: "'[email protected]'" > <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012, 10:18 AM > > A colleague approached me yesterday with a question as to the origin of the > name Seth. I opened up the Hertz Pentateuch that I keep at my desk and found > the origin of the name (Genesis 4:25) for her. She was amazed that I used a > Bible that was “translated into Hebrew”. I explained to her that the Jewish > canon of the Bible was originally written mainly in Hebrew with a bit of > Aramaic here and there in the Prophets. The encounter got me to thinking > about how we represent the language of the Bible in our cataloging standards. > If one were to search a catalog with AACR2 entries for my Hertz Pentateuch, > one would find the following main entry, which would lead one to believe that > the Bible (or at least in this case the Five Books of Moses) was written in a > language other than Hebrew: > > > Bible. O.T. Pentateuch. Hebrew. 1952. > > > This is due to the following rule in AACR2 > > 25.18A10. Language <image001.png> > > Add the name of the language of the item after the designation for the Bible > or part of the Bible. > > Bible. English . . . > > Bible. N.T. English . . . > > Bible. N.T. Revelation. English . . . > > If the Old Testament is in Hebrew and the New Testament is in Greek, add > Hebrew-Greek. Make a see also reference from Bible. O.T. Hebrew . . . and > Bible. N.T. Greek . . . > > > We only do this for books of the Bible. One would never find an entry such > as follows for a Shakespearean work in the original English (though perhaps > that is because “You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him > in the original Klingon: taH pagh, taH be?”): > > > Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Hamlet. English. > > > My first question (and I think I once knew the answer but have forgotten) is, > “Why?” > > My second question is, “Does anyone know if this rule was retained in RDA? I > can’t seem to find it.” > > > Steven > > > > From: > hasafran-bounces+bernsteinstj=mail.ccsu....@lists.service.ohio-state.edu > [mailto:hasafran-bounces+bernsteinstj=mail.ccsu....@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] > On Behalf Of Rachel Fischer > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:55 AM > To: Rachel Fischer > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] RDA and the Bible > > > Some people seem to be confused and misunderstand my question, but I have > already had the right answer so I do not need to post this, but in case I do > need to further explain the answer I will. I was meaning to refer to the > context of any public or academic library cataloging the RDA example that > just is for the book of Genesis or the book of Gospels as individually bound > items. RDA is confusing and disorganized and does not make sense, so if I > FRBRize it, it one example that RDA is thinking (in their own Christian > minds) when they make their statements could look like this: > > > > Work- The Bible > > E1- The Old Testament > > E2- The New Testament > > M1- A publication of separately bound books of the bible- in a series > > I1-Genesis > > I2- Exodus > > etc. > > I6- Matthew > > etc. > > > > In this case it would still say on the title page Old Testament (or Hebrew > Bible) and New Testament. I would still feel comfortable saying you should > still designate something separate for the book of Genesis so it is > considered a separate Work in the bib. record even if the local practice is > Old Testament, to educate the public that it is a different historical work > from the book of Matthew as a New Testament, in the case that New Testament > is on the title page. If a book of Genesis is separately published within a > series and has some designation, either Hebrew bible or Old Testament, it > would be wrong to not write it out as it appears on the title page, when RDA > has been stating to not include it. If it is not written out then the record > is not displaying the proper data. But we can obviously make the choice as we > wish, not to cary this on any further, but to clarify the example that I am > thinking of... > > Rachel > > > --- On Sat, 6/2/12, Rachel Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Rachel Fischer <[email protected]> > Subject: RDA and the Bible > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 4:07 PM > > Hi > I am currently taking a class that is comparing RDA to AACR2. I am unhappy > with certain changes that RDA is making. Module 4 in this training series: > http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/rda/trainthetrainer.html talks about > changes to how the bible should be represented. It says that in the cases of > individual books, like Genesis, we no longer are supposed to label it as Old > Testament, just Genesis, Bible. I was wondering how others feel about this. I > am wondering if this is a step back to other people, besides me when it comes > to issues of a Christian bias. I want it to be labeled as the Old Testament > and given a distinction that shows that it is a Jewish version and not a > Christian version that has been published along with a New Testament related > series that would be part of a Christian series. Has there been any > discussion or complaints about this that I haven't seen yet or are Jews in > agreement that this change is alright? > > Rachel Fischer > MLIS Student- Dominican University > Volunteer Librarian- Oak Park Temple > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > __ > Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author > and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) > ================================== > Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: > [email protected] > To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: [email protected] > Ha-Safran Archives: > Current: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > Earlier Listserver: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org > -- > Hasafran mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > __ > Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author > and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) > ================================== > Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: > [email protected] > To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: [email protected] > Ha-Safran Archives: > Current: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > Earlier Listserver: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org > -- > Hasafran mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
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