A search in the RDA toolkit brings up 33 references to the bible. RDA is confusing and disorganized. AACR2 has a much better organization structure. Written with the FRBR language it is too abstract for cataloging rules and does not work well for people that want exact step by step instructions. Honestly, when I enter data or search for something I would never think of searching for a manifestation or _expression_, only title and author, and subject. I prefer AACR2. Chapter 7 does not even have the word illustration as a content of a book where it should be. It does not define the difference between "edition statement" and "designation of edition", but makes them sound exactly the same. There are other points that they need to work on as well. I would prefer that they spend several more years on it than implement it in March.

If RDA really wants to stick with the FRBR model to explain a relationship between an item (i.e. Genesis individually bound on the library shelf) and its manifestation (publication of your choice in your mind) and work (Torah) in a database, then they should really hypothetically make the wording as "define the authorized access point according to the chief source of information" in order to properly define the book as a Jewish or Christian publication by the title of that publication as it is originally written, just as they do not want to write the edition statement as it is written and not an abreviation. I just do not like the idea of seeing a book of Genesis not being attributed to the source of its proper author at all. If the authorized access point was according to the title page a Jewish publication of Genesis, would define Genesis as a Jewish publication properly in the access point. The Christian publication would define the access point as a Christian would see it, given that in both cases the 130 field would include the title and subtitle properly. However, RDA states the access point is:
a)
a term indicating the language of the _expression_ (see 6.11)
b)
other distinguishing characteristic of the _expression_ (see 6.25)
c)
the date of the _expression_ (see 6.24).

These points are not the title as an access point. Using the title for the access point the biases would be eliminated that are caused by only using terms and characteristics, or not defining that Genesis was a Jewish creation at all in the authorized language.

Rachel

RDA: A.17.10 Versions of the Bible
Capitalize the name of a version of the Bible (see 6.25.1.4 ).
RDA: 6.30.3.2 Authorized Access Point Representing an _expression_ of the Bible
Construct the authorized access point representing a particular _expression_ of the Bible or of part of the Bible by adding to the authorized access point representing...
RDA: 6.23.2.9.2 Books
For books of the Catholic or Protestant canon, record the brief citation form of the Authorized Version as a subdivision of the preferred title for the Bible.
RDA: 6.25.1.5 Excerpts from the Bible
For excerpts from the Bible or from parts of the Bible, record Selections. If the excerpts are from a specific version of the Bible, record Selections in addition...
RDA: 6.24.1.4 The Bible and Parts of the Bible
Record the year of publication of the resource.
RDA: 6.25.1.4 The Bible and Parts of the Bible
Record a brief form of the name of the version 25 . If the resource is in three or more languages, do not record the version.
RDA: A.17.9 Special Selections from the Bible
Capitalize the first word of the name of a special selection from the Bible that is commonly referred to by a specific name.
RDA: 6.23.2.9 Parts of the Bible Core
Record the preferred title for parts of the Bible as instructed under 6.23.2.9.1 – 6.23.2.9.7 as applicable.
RDA: 6.30.2.2 Part or Parts of a Sacred Scripture
Construct the authorized access point representing a part or parts of a sacred scripture using the preferred title for the part or parts, formulated according to...
RDA: 6.25.1.3 Recording Other Distinguishing Characteristics of the _expression_ of a Religious Work Core
For the Bible and parts of the Bible, record the version applying the instructions given under 6.25.1.4 . For excerpts from the Bible or from parts of the Bible...
RDA: 6.23.3.5 Recording Other Variant Titles for Religious Works
Record other variants and variant forms of the title recorded as the preferred title for a religious work not covered under 6.23.3.2 – 6.23.3.4 , as required...
RDA: 6.30.5.3 Variant Access Point Representing an _expression_ of a Religious Work
Construct a variant access point representing an _expression_ of a religious work, if appropriate, by adding to the authorized access point representing the work a...
RDA: 6.23.3.4 Recording Alternative Linguistic Forms as Variant Titles for Religious Works
If the title recorded as the preferred title for a religious work has one or more alternative linguistic forms, record them as variant titles for the work.
RDA: 6.23.2.9.1 Testaments
For the Old Testament, record Old Testament as a subdivision of the preferred title for the Bible.
RDA: 6.24.1.3 Recording Date of _expression_ of a Religious Work Core
For the Bible and parts of the Bible, record the date of _expression_ applying the instructions given under 6.24.1.4 .
RDA: 6.23.2.9.6 Two or More Selections
If the resource being described consists of two or more selections (including whole books) that are encompassed precisely by two preferred titles for parts of the...
RDA: 6.23.2.9.4 Apocrypha
For the compilation known as the Apocrypha (1–2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Rest of Esther, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, History of Susanna, Song...
RDA: 6.23.2.12.3 Separately Published Components
For a separately published component of the Midrash ha-gadol , Midrash rabbah , or Sifrei , record the name of the book of the Bible with which it deals as a subdivision...
RDA: A.17.8 Sacred Scriptures
Capitalize the title of a sacred scripture, one of its divisions, a group of books, or an individual book.
RDA: 6.23.2.9.7 Other Selections
For other selections (including miscellaneous extracts) use the most specific title formulated according to the instructions given under 6.23.2.9.1 , 6.23.2.9.2...
RDA: 6.24 Date of _expression_ of a Religious Work
Date of _expression_ is a core element when needed to differentiate one _expression_ of the Bible from another.
RDA: 6.23.2.9.5 Single Selections
If a single selection is commonly identified by its own title (rather than its designation as part of the Bible), record that directly as the preferred title.
RDA: 6.23.2.9.3 Groups of Books
For the following groups of books, record the name given below as a subdivision of the preferred title for the Bible.
RDA: 6.25 Other Distinguishing Characteristic of the _expression_ of a Religious Work
Other distinguishing characteristic of the _expression_ is a core element when needed to differentiate an _expression_ of the Bible or the Vedas, or an _expression_ of...
RDA: 6.30.5.2 Variant Access Point Representing a Part of a Religious Work
If the authorized access point representing a part of a religious work has been constructed using the authorized access point representing a person or corporate...


RDA: 6.30.1.3 Harmonies of Scriptural Passages
For a harmony of different scriptural passages, use the authorized access point representing the passages harmonized (see 6.30.1.2 ) as the authorized access point...
RDA: E.1.3.4 Explanatory References
Present an explanatory reference as illustrated below.
RDA: 6.23.2.4 Recording the Preferred Title Core
Record the title chosen as the preferred title for a religious work applying the general guidelines on recording titles for works given under 6.2.1 .
RDA: 6.23.2.5 Sacred Scriptures
Choose as the preferred title for a sacred scripture the title by which it is most commonly identified in reference sources in the language preferred by the agency...
RDA: 5.9.1.3 Making Cataloguer's Notes
Make the following notes, if they are considered to be important:
RDA: 19.3.1.3 Recording Other Persons, Families, and Corporate Bodies Associated with a Work Core
Record other persons, families, and corporate bodies associated with the work, if considered important for access, in accordance with the general guidelines on recording...
RDA: 25.1.1.3 Referencing Related Works
Reference a related work applying the general guidelines on referencing related works, expressions, manifestations, and items given under 24.4 .
RDA: 6.30.5.1 General Guidelines on Constructing Variant Access Points Representing Religious Works
Use a variant title for the work (see 6.23.3 ) as the basis for a variant access point.



--- On Wed, 6/6/12, Bernstein, Steven (Library) <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Bernstein, Steven (Library) <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] RDA and the Bible
To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012, 9:18 AM

A colleague approached me yesterday with a question as to the origin of the name Seth.  I opened up the Hertz Pentateuch that I keep at my desk and found the origin of the name (Genesis 4:25) for her.  She was amazed that I used a Bible that was “translated into Hebrew”.  I explained to her that the Jewish canon of the Bible was originally written mainly in Hebrew with a bit of Aramaic here and there in the Prophets.  The encounter got me to thinking about how we represent the language of the Bible in our cataloging standards.  If one were to search a catalog with AACR2 entries for my Hertz Pentateuch, one would find the following main entry, which would lead one to believe that the Bible (or at least in this case the Five Books of Moses) was written in a language other than Hebrew:

 

Bible. O.T. Pentateuch. Hebrew. 1952.

 

This is due to the following rule in AACR2

25.18A10. Language Description: http://desktop.loc.gov/DocView/ESPAACR2/img/MARC%20button

Add the name of the language of the item after the designation for the Bible or part of the Bible.

Bible. English . . .

Bible. N.T. English . . .

Bible. N.T. Revelation. English . . .

If the Old Testament is in Hebrew and the New Testament is in Greek, add Hebrew-Greek. Make a see also reference from Bible. O.T. Hebrew . . . and Bible. N.T. Greek . . .

 

We only do this for books of the Bible.  One would never find an entry such as follows for a Shakespearean work in the original English (though perhaps that is because “You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon: taH pagh, taH be?”):

 

Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Hamlet. English.

 

My first question (and I think I once knew the answer but have forgotten) is, “Why?”

My second question is, “Does anyone know if this rule was retained in RDA?  I can’t seem to find it.”

 

Steven

 

From: hasafran-bounces+bernsteinstj=mail.ccsu....@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:hasafran-bounces+bernsteinstj=mail.ccsu....@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Rachel Fischer
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:55 AM
To: Rachel Fischer
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] RDA and the Bible

 

Some people seem to be confused and misunderstand my question, but I have already had the right answer so I do not need to post this, but in case I do need to further explain the answer I will. I was meaning to refer to the context of any public or academic library cataloging the RDA example that just is for the book of Genesis or the book of Gospels as individually bound items. RDA is confusing and disorganized and does not make sense, so if I FRBRize it, it one example that RDA is thinking (in their own Christian minds) when they make their statements could look like this:

 

Work- The Bible

E1- The Old Testament

E2- The New Testament

M1- A publication of separately bound books of the bible- in a series

I1-Genesis

I2- Exodus

etc.

I6- Matthew

etc.

 

In this case it would still say on the title page Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible) and New Testament. I would still feel comfortable saying you should still designate something separate for the book of Genesis so it is considered a separate Work in the bib. record even if the local practice is Old Testament, to educate the public that it is a different historical work from the book of Matthew as a New Testament, in the case that New Testament is on the title page. If a book of Genesis is separately published within a series and has some designation, either Hebrew bible or Old Testament, it would be wrong to not write it out as it appears on the title page, when RDA has been stating to not include it. If it is not written out then the record is not displaying the proper data. But we can obviously make the choice as we wish, not to cary this on any further, but to clarify the example that I am thinking of...

Rachel


--- On Sat, 6/2/12, Rachel Fischer <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Rachel Fischer <[email protected]>
Subject: RDA and the Bible
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 4:07 PM

Hi
I am currently taking a class that is comparing RDA to AACR2. I am unhappy with certain changes that RDA is making. Module 4 in this training series: http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/rda/trainthetrainer.html talks about changes to how the bible should be represented. It says that in the cases of individual books, like Genesis, we no longer are supposed to label it as Old Testament, just Genesis, Bible. I was wondering how others feel about this. I am wondering if this is a step back to other people, besides me when it comes to issues of a Christian bias. I want it to be labeled as the Old Testament and given a distinction that shows that it is a Jewish version and not a Christian version that has been published along with a New Testament related series that would be part of a Christian series. Has there been any discussion or complaints about this that I haven't seen yet or are Jews in agreement that this change is alright?

Rachel Fischer
MLIS Student- Dominican University
Volunteer Librarian- Oak Park Temple

 


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