Is there any way to "direct"-contact the valve software's Half-Life 1 engine coders?
2009. szeptember 23. 13:57 Olivér Horváth írta, <[email protected]>: > I searched for it, and found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqo9o9OzyxA > However he probably used pause; wait; pause or host_framerate which already > mentioned that it won't help us. I don't have idea why would he used a > complex, total frame advancing without client/server communication, when the > purpose was to make a video. This is still a visual frame by frame > advancing. > > 2009/9/23 Joshua Scarsbrook <[email protected]> > > I recal a youtube video that rendered hl1 frame by frame, just search >> youtube for nuclear halflife hammer >> >> Olivér Horváth wrote: >> > As far as i know, no one has the full, up-to-date Half-Life 1 1.1.2.1 or >> > even the 1.1.0.8 SDK all-in-all @ SDA. Does the downloadable Half-Life >> SDK >> > 2.3 has a function that processed each frame? Please let me know it, >> because >> > I couldn't find (not mentioning that I couldn't compile it dunno why). >> And >> > is it the same like 1.1.0.8? However it would be a pain in the ass to >> make a >> > speedrun while alt-tabbing like a maniac cause of break. >> > >> > It would be a dream if the source code would be free and I could just >> simply >> > put in a readkey : ( >> > >> > 2009/9/22 Heimo Stieg <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> >> Just hit "break" in the debugger? >> >> >> >> Olivér Horváth schrieb: >> >> >> >>> No, I tried it numerous times. The command pause doesn't stops >> anything, >> >>> only the entities has no chance to change they speed. You can write >> >>> messages, look at entities special effects (which is animated, and you >> >>> >> >> will >> >> >> >>> see it animated while in pause mode), and the biggest thing that we >> would >> >>> like to allow: the client communicates with the server. >> >>> >> >>> I think I wasn't clear or something, so once again: >> >>> I would like to achieve that there is ABSOLUTELY NO packet >> send/recieve >> >>> between the server and client while there's a real "breakdown" mode. I >> >>> >> >> think >> >> >> >>> that this can't be made with pure commands. I hope that someone, maybe >> on >> >>> >> >> of >> >> >> >>> the Half-Life 1 maker should read my question, because I don't think >> that >> >>> anyone else should know, that there's a possibility of stopping the >> >>> >> >> network >> >> >> >>> data for a period of time and also stop frame processing and advance >> one >> >>> frame whenever I want it. >> >>> >> >>> By the way, I'm glad that I found a place where I can get answer for >> this >> >>> question, and that you answer it. >> >>> >> >>> 2009/9/22 Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Huh? In single-player game, pause command stops *everything*, except >> >>>> >> >> VGUI >> >> >> >>>> interaction. >> >>>> >> >>>> 2009/9/22 Olivér Horváth <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I think that I tried every console command, but none of them makes >> the >> >>>>> gameplay TOTALLY freeze. This is very essential. The command pause >> only >> >>>>> blocks the players from move, that's all, and everything else still >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> works. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> doubt that there would be any command that should TOTALLY blocks >> >>>>> client/server communication for a period of time (of course maybe >> lag >> >>>>> should >> >>>>> work...). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2009/9/22 Joshua Scarsbrook <[email protected]> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Well the easyest way i see to do this is with a little script >> >>>>>> >> >> involving >> >> >> >>>>>> pause and some sort of scripting wait command if that is possable. >> >>>>>> something with making a command, i have never played hl1 but i am >> >>>>>> relativly good at hl2 scripting and programming convensions >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Saul Rennison wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Isn't there a command called *singlestep*? If so, then do: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> bind *<key>* "next 1" >> >>>>>>> singlestep >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Then press *<key>* to advance a frame :) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>> - Saul. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2009/9/21 Olivér Horváth <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Wow thanks for the fast response. >> >>>>>>>> Well, I already tried every cvar, but none of them makes the >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> gameplay >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> frame-by-frame. using the host_framerate or pause; wait; pause >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> method >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> won't >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> interrupt the server-client communcation. So this is basicly only >> a >> >>>>>>>> "visual" >> >>>>>>>> frame advancing, and we would need real frame advancing. However >> I >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>> don't >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> have the real, full, compilable HL source code, and the >> downloadable >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> free >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> hl >> >>>>>>>> sdk doesn't has the server_frame function or anything that >> processed >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> every frame. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The best thing should be to have the same DemoPlayer's gui @ HL >> >>>>>>>> singleplayer. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2009/9/21 Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Try using the convars "host_framerate" and "pause". >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2009/9/21 Olivér Horváth <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody, my nickname is MESHUGGAH, a speedrun fan. >> >>>>>>>>>> We have a (currently in hold) Half-life 1 TAS [tool assisted] >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> speedrun >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> project @ SDA (speeddemosarchive.com) and we have some >> questions >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> about >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> HL engine. >> >>>>>>>>>> We would like to achieve a frame-by-frame (frame advancing when >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> you >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> press >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> specific key) gameplay to abuse every bug and glitch in HL. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> However >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> full >> >>>>>>>>>> HL SDK (as far as I know) doesn't gives me possibility to have >> a >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> custom >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> function that would interrupt everything and making a TOTAL >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> engine-pause >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> whenever there's a frame advance. So my question would be this: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Is there any possible way to play the game frame-by-frame? >> >>>>>>>>>> (with absolutely no server-client communication or anything >> else >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> during >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> frame-pause). >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> If you don't understand what I'm talking about (tool assisted, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> speedrun, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> why >> >>>>>>>>>> abuse glitches, why we need frame advance), feel free to ask >> it. >> >>>>>>>>>> btw I wanted to read the archives, but the txt files comes with >> >>>>>>>>>> very-very-very slow bitrate. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for responses in advance. >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> archives, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> archives, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> archives, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> archives, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >>>>> please visit: >> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >>>> please visit: >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> >> >> please visit: >> >> >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
