One thing I would add to that for you Ayes. Did you know deep down in Source2. Is Source?
So ask yourself why Lag interp ( LERP ) was removed, and " sub ticrate " added? So ask yourself why Netgraph was removed, then readded as cq_netgraph? So ask yourself why SourceTV was removed, and CSTV was added? Like I said it wasnt to specifically break administrative server plugins. All around they ( VALVe Devs ) intentionally sabotaged backwards compatibility. Despite the fact deep down in the engine, its still Source. With a lot of added scripting, and other non C+ programming. Once you realize that. You will realize whats wrong. And why the engine has been abandoned for Development. I can take Source today, mod it, add new rendering to it. And it would be backwards compatible, as well as modernized. And perform better than Source 2. While still being backwards compatible. That said, best of luck with it. -StealthMode On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 8:44 AM StealthMode Hu <stealthmode1...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you are trying to defend the intentional sabotage of backwards > compatibility. > > Quote: > With all due respect StealthMode, I do not believe you properly understand > why programming server mods has changed. > EndQuote. > > I was in programming, before it was called Computer Science. > I am in fact an Applied Physicist. With Electronics Engineering > specialization. > I usually only program in Binary. And program Logic Controllers. > > Dont need a programming language syntax interpreter to speak to the > integrated circuits in a computer. Like C, Python, or LuaJIT. Not needed. I > speak Binary, and Hex / Machine Assembly fluently. > > Although since 8yo I mastered " Programming " on a legacy commodore 64. > Learning Basic, Cobol ( granddaddy of script C+/C++ ), Pascal, Machine > Assembly, and FORTRAN. > > Since you wish to question my programming knowledge. > > The change wasnt intentionally for server mods to be broken. > Youd be naive to think just that was what was in fact intentionally broken. > > Backwards compatibility was broken intentionally. > They found that in CSGO, you could port the maps directly into CSS. > And that anything CSS could as well run in CSGO ( Source engine > compatibility ). > > However. And I am dead serious. > Reverse Engineer the Source 2 engine. > > And you will see why its being abandoned as a development engine. > > That said. > Hey, you are a VALVe / Source 2 fan. Best of luck with it. > > The Source 2 engine was developed in 2015. > It originally was needed due to a Microsoft Egotism problem. > Dx10 was inherent, and exclusive to Microsoft products use only. > Meaning no Dx10 on anything not Windows or Microsoft. > > So Source 2 got invented. > Combining DirectX + Vulkan rendering. > > That need is no longer there. > As Microcrap reversed their poor business decision. > > So tbh, that Source 2 engine was never really needed. > Once Microcrap reversed their exclusive proprietary Direct X system. > > Additionally. > Source was originally written ( programmed ) by Professional Software > Developers. > > Source 2 is not. > As evidenced by the heavy codependence on scripted functions in the engine. > > While legacy functions did the same thing. > > Just had to change things. To break legacy things. > > And you are right. Absolutely right. > > In the Software Industry, whether that be gaming, or applications > development. > > There is an intentional breakage by Vendors to force you to upgrade. > > Know what Source 2 really is? > An industry scam to force you to modernize your hardware. > Bumping out hardware requirements dramatically. > Two separate rendering engines, to require you to run the latest and > greatest gpu / ram combo. > > See, the HARDWARE VENDORS had all this top of the line hardware. > That only Developers were purchasing. > > Factoring in you went from 2-4 cores to 20-24 cores in just a few short > years. > Notice though, all they can do is add cores. No real new development there? > > And most people werent upgrading like the industry wanted. > So Software Companies, Game Development Studios were approached. > And a conspiracy began, to bump up resource requirements. > To push sales for Hardware Vendors. > Because without sales, no new stuff can be researched, or developed. > > And the industry has gotten pretty stagnant in the past 10 years. > With everyone copying every other Developers newest, latest, innovative > game / application features. While having no unique innovative contribution > to the industry in decades now. > > Fact is. Theres a lot you dont know, about why new software gets made. > And there is a lot you dont know CSGO/CSGO2, or Source / Source 2. > > Just like most dont know. > HL: Alyx WAS HL3. > > If one is savvy, one would know. > > HL / CS ( Quake 2 modded engine ) > HL2 / CSS ( Source / Havok engine ) > HL3 ( Alyx ) / CSS2? ( Source 2 / Havok engine ) > > Notice what didnt change? Havok Physics. > And CS got skipped over, and CSGO was chosen to port to the new engine > AFTER Alyx flopped in sales. > > Notice something else. > DOTA2 / ALYX / CSGO2... > Only titles released on Source 2. > NONE did that well. > Compared to legacy company sales per particular product. > > Want to know something? > Alfred, and the original Staff arent at VALVe anymore. > > All of their Talent is gone. > > And know for a fact. > The new Devs dont have a clue how to build an engine ( Physics / Game / > Rendering ). > As evidenced by all of the open hooks in Source 2. That are being > exploited daily by " hackers ". > > That said. I respect your opinion. > However, you lack the experience, or vision. To see the big picture. > > And I ask you to step back, and take a good look. And a deep smell. > > I think you are intelligent enough to figure it out from there. > > -StealthMode > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:20 AM AyesC <ay...@ayesc.ca> wrote: > >> > Changed engine functions, seemingly intentionally to not be backwards >> compatible. >> > Like environments. >> >> With all due respect StealthMode, I do not believe you properly >> understand why programming server mods has changed. >> >> Source 2 is a complete rewrite of the legacy systems present in Source 1. >> Source 1 was designed with the hardware and software of 2003 in mind, and >> it is not capable of properly utilizing modern computer hardware. In order >> to update the engine to better use modern hardware, significant and far >> reaching changes had to be made to the engine's code. These changes >> fundamentally changed how Source 2 operates compared to Source 1, which is >> why server plugins were broken in the process. These changes are a >> necessary evil for the engine to be able to utilize modern hardware and >> rendering features, and thus there is realistically no way to *not* break >> plugins in the process. >> >> This was not Valve intentionally breaking plugins. Many other >> applications make breaking changes every day. It's an annoying, but >> difficult to avoid part of software development. >> >> On February 19, 2024 3:59:34 p.m. EST, StealthMode Hu < >> stealthmode1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Eric Smith briefly reviews the lists emails. >> >But there is no " assigned monitor " of these lists. >> > >> >Thats why they choose to moderate the lists, using a per case / client >> >authorization system. >> > >> >That to my knowledge. Even Eric Smith lost access to Alfreds LIST-OWNER >> >account. >> > >> >So I think your " bet " would be considered a DRAW in this case. >> >As the list is reviewed, however, there is no per se' " monitor " for it. >> > >> >Hope this helps. >> > >> >Btw, I spoke with some of the other programmers. >> >Source 2 engine is being abandoned for future development. >> >They broke all the legacy administrative server mods. Like AMX/SM/MM/etc. >> >including your ZombieMod MetaMod Plugin. >> > >> >Changed engine functions, seemingly intentionally to not be backwards >> >compatible. >> >Like environments. >> > >> >So some of us that were working on a new project. >> >Counter-Strike Source evolved. >> >Have decided to abandon VALVe products for development. >> > >> >Due to the way the company has degraded, and alienated itself from its >> >respective game / mod communities. >> > >> >That said. Good to see you again C0ldfyre. Shouldnt bet on things. >> Gambling >> >is bad. As CSGO Dev Team found out with that skin gambling scam they had >> >going on a few years back. >> > >> >Best of luck with your future projects. >> > >> >Ill be in CSS, until we finish the new game. >> >Working Title " Counter-Terrorism Professionals ". In Honor of Minh, and >> >Jesse. >> > >> >Ttyl. >> > >> >-StealthMode >> > >> >On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:19 PM Jay C. <c...@c0ld.net> wrote: >> > >> >> I will contribute $20 to the charity of your choice if someone on the >> dev >> >> team simply replies to this mail. I have a bet with the CS2Fixes team >> that >> >> this is monitored for $250 and I'd prefer if my money went to a good >> cause >> >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2024-02-11 12:17, Jay C. wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm a little out of touch. I'm c0ldfyr3, original author of CS:S >> >> ZombieMod. I've just gotten back into modding and noticed it seems to >> not >> >> be an avenue we can take as a MetaMod plugin? Is that true? Do you >> simply >> >> not want us to do that anymore? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Jay/c0ld >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> >> >> please visit: >> >> >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/ >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> > >> >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > >> >please visit: >> > >> >https://list.valvesoftware.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/ > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/
