There's a big difference between fracturing and diversity. With sv_tags
players can see exactly how a server is run and find one that suits their
taste. If there is anything that will strangle the life out of the
community its forcing conformity on everyone.
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From: "Dustin Wyatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Why sv_tags wont work.
I do. I understand people's frustration with it, but I think all the
customizations like no-crit just fracture the community, which is a
bad thing.
Dustin
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh I forgot to ask.
Is there a single server operator who likes the custom tab?
- voogru.
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Why sv_tags wont work.
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I have to agree. As a plugin author, I was anticipating the sv_tags
addition so that users could easily filter for my plugins. As it has
been
implemented, it is meaningless because the server admins become upset if
the
plugin adds tags and moves them to the custom tab.
I don't know the solution, but I hope we can find a compromise that
makes
Valve happy and still allows plugin authors to identify the server as
not
"vanilla."
Duke
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It looks like I'm on a role today with posting to the mailing list.
>
> I wanted to point out a flaw with the sv_tags system.
>
> How is it going to know about programming changes?
>
> What if I programmatically un-nerf the demoman/soldier rockets?
> What if I programmatically make all weapons do insta-gib damage?
>
> What if I do anything programmatically that does not add to sv_tags?
>
> My server shows up in the vanilla server, when it blatantly is not
> vanilla.
> That's what happens.
>
> And I'm not doing anything to 'force' my server into the internet list
to
> have this effect.
>
> Now I could add "sv_tags" "unnerfed_demosoldier,instagib".
>
> Oh wait, if I do that I might as well shutdown my server because my
server
> will be on the custom tab and nobody clicks on that.
>
> Damn, so much for using sv_tags to better describe my server.
>
> "We've been working on a solution to these problems that we hope will
make
> sense, solving the player's desire to search for specific settings,
and
> the
> server operator's desire to have better descriptive tools for their
> server.
> The concept is similar to web page metatags, where server operators
can
> specify descriptive tags in any manner, and clients can search for
servers
> by specifying the tags they're interested in. Some tags are
automatically
> filled in, based on server convars. For example, in TF2 we've removed
the
> restrictions on a variety of server options (like friendly fire &
respawn
> wave times), and now the tag system will automatically add a tag when
> they're changed, so that customers who want to play on these servers
can
> easily find them."
>
> Sv_tags doesn't do any favors for server operators. Server operators
will
> avoid it like the plague because putting anything in the tags means
you
> lose
> your player base by the time the server sends the next heartbeat.
>
> On top of that, it does not do the player any favors either, because
now
> potential players won't know my server is insta-gib with un-nerfed
> demo/soldier until they connect to it and play.
>
> Everybody loses.
>
> Disclaimer: This is just an example situation, my servers are not
> insta-gib
> and I have not un-nerfed the demo/soldier ammo.
>
> - voogru.
>
>
>
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