if that's what they do it will be a huge miscalculation.


James McKenna wrote:
> Maybe this update is to delist the custom servers. I wouldn't be surprised.
> Just in time for the free weekend.
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, P. Bhandal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Spot on L. Duke, it's unfortunate that Valve hasn't adopted the same
>> common
>> sense approach to the matter.
>>
>> As it is now there's an incentive to mislead players which ends up making
>> it
>> more difficult for players to find custom servers rather than easier,
>> which
>> clearly isn't the goal of the custom tab. If all servers are on one tab
>> and
>> they can be sorted based on tags server owners will have a reason to be
>> upfront about the modifications they're running. Servers running instant
>> spawn or increased crit multipliers want players to know that they're
>> running those addons, unfortunately with the current incarnation of the
>> custom tab it's far too damaging to do so.
>>
>> Sadly this will just end up being another footnote of this mailing list.
>> Valve will continue its crusade against the custom tab list, and the
>> majority of server owners will continue to subvert it. Valve ends up
>> wasting
>> money, server owners end up wasting time which results in the players
>> losing
>> out the most. A lose, lose situation regardless of the angle.
>>
>> Implement all of the servers on a single tab and make it easy to sort
>> through those servers. If you give all servers equivalent face time when a
>> user first loads up the list it will be in a server owners best interest
>> to
>> be forthcoming about the game altering plugins/hacks they are running.
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:23 PM, LDuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> It will be pointless as long as there is incentive for plugins to not
>>>       
>> add
>>     
>>> tags (like now).
>>>
>>> If all tags are used for is filtering/searching and the servers are on
>>>       
>> one
>>     
>>> tab, then plugins that modify any aspect of the ngame would be likely to
>>> add
>>> a tag so players that enjoy the plugin can find the server.  Then there
>>> would be no more CSSDM or ZM cluttering up the server name (which was
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> reason Valve gave for implementing sv_tags in the first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Ben B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I agree.  with plugins that now can change spawn times and crit
>>>>         
>>> variables
>>>       
>>>> w/o changing the cvars (mp_respawnwavetime; sv_weapon_criticals) that
>>>>         
>>> are
>>>       
>>>> picked up by sv_tags, the custom tab is kind of pointless.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:48 PM, P. Bhandal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> You want to see 32 man servers on the internet tab as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to see the change of heart, Ronny boy!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Ronny Schedel <
>>>>>           
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>     
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Yes, would be nice to see the 32 player servers and all other
>>>>>>             
>> custom
>>     
>>>>>> servers
>>>>>> on the correct tab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hopefully the Custom tab [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "1nsane ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: 2008-05-02 03:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> More bugfixes! Yay! I'll be waiting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jason Ruymen <
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Later today we'll be releasing a required Team Fortress 2
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> update.
>>>       
>>>>>  No
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> specific timeframe yet, but we hope to have it out soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>
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