I'm *not* supporting L4D until Valve gets their act together. I made the decision a day or two after release and numerous frustrating attempts to get it behaving the way I wanted.
To say "If you can't figure it out, then you shouldn't be a server operator" doesn't carry *ANY* weight with me. That's simply a childish jab at best and an excuse for valve at worst. There is no substitute for proper documentation. <---Read that. Now read it again. Keep reading it until you understand what it means. Everyone on this list should be *EXPECTING* proper documentation for this product. Not begging for it or relying on the few people who managed to kinda-sorta figure it out. It's half-assed, and I expect better from Valve. I blindly believed that Valve would do right by server ops. I won't blindly believe that anymore. Call me a whiner. Call me an attention-craver. I don't care. I *will* voice my opinion if I feel strongly enough about it. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric van Beesten Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:02 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg files? To be honnest, i think he is right. We don't whine, but instead we give feedback (some feedback is a little negative formulated.. but its feedback). I'm sure they all read the mailinglist (hi, guys!!!), but its sometimes annoying when you don't know a "roadmap". For example, all the feedback we have given.. when does it gets updated? And most important, does it get updated? Game is out for almost a week now and we still haven't got a update. We don't know when the update is coming. We indeed contribute to the success of the left4dead games. I'm sure that valve won't going to host lots of left4dead servers. Giving support to game buyers is a really important factor, but giving support to servermanagers (like update info/ roadmaps and maybe server.cfg instruction) is also a important factor! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Olly Verzonden: dinsdag 25 november 2008 11:55 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg files? They don't make it a pain.. If you don't know how to setup servers, then maybe you shouldn't be doing so. There are 1000's of other servers that are up and working fine without posting a whine thread. 2008/11/25 ccfan4326 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What I meant is that those who rent and host L4D servers are helping > to support the game. I guess it's not as significant as with > CSS/TF2/etc, but yeah. It's not just Valve either. Why developers tend > to make it a pain for server admins to setup a server for MP-centric > games I do not know. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > We are not paying them (valve) a cent to host servers. > > > > There is a once payment for the client install though. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ccfan4326 > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 2:01 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > files? > > > > We're the ones paying them and paying for servers to support their > > game, is it too much to ask for some decent documentation? > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:57 PM, John Du Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Indeed. Everyone needs to stop whining about this. > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:28 PM, msleeper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > >>> I bet the Valve guys don't either. > >>> > >>> http://instantrimshot.com/ > >>> > >>> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:07 -0800, Midnight wrote: > >>> > I'd be happy to. My consulting fees are $250/hr, 50% in advance. I > >>> > don't work for free sorry. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > gulfy wrote: > >>> > > Sounds like you're up to the challenge. > >>> > > > >>> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Midnight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> Like he said though, there is not a central consolidated and up to > >>> date > >>> > >> list of information about running L4D servers. It shouldn't take > > more > >>> > >> than 30 minutes to put together and add to a wiki or forum page. > >>> > >> Leaving everyone to their own devices to scour mailing lists and > >>> forums > >>> > >> looking for answers is pretty unprofessional frankly. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Kevin Ottalini wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >>> There have been qute a few posts from valve on the linux email > list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> (about > >>> > >> > >>> > >>> L4D), look there too. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >>> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __________ NOD32 3638 (20081125) Informatie __________ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
