On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Karl Weckstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm *not* supporting L4D until Valve gets their act together. I made the > decision a day or two after release and numerous frustrating attempts to get > it behaving the way I wanted. > > To say "If you can't figure it out, then you shouldn't be a server > operator" doesn't carry *ANY* weight with me. That's simply a childish jab > at best and an excuse for valve at worst. > > There is no substitute for proper documentation. <---Read that. Now read it > again. Keep reading it until you understand what it means. > > Everyone on this list should be *EXPECTING* proper documentation for this > product. Not begging for it or relying on the few people who managed to > kinda-sorta figure it out. It's half-assed, and I expect better from Valve. > I blindly believed that Valve would do right by server ops. I won't blindly > believe that anymore. > > Call me a whiner. Call me an attention-craver. I don't care. I *will* voice > my opinion if I feel strongly enough about it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric van Beesten > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:02 AM > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > files? > > To be honnest, i think he is right. We don't whine, but instead we give > feedback (some feedback is a little negative formulated.. but its > feedback). > I'm sure they all read the mailinglist (hi, guys!!!), but its sometimes > annoying when you don't know a "roadmap". For example, all the feedback we > have given.. when does it gets updated? And most important, does it get > updated? Game is out for almost a week now and we still haven't got a > update. We don't know when the update is coming. > > We indeed contribute to the success of the left4dead games. I'm sure that > valve won't going to host lots of left4dead servers. Giving support to game > buyers is a really important factor, but giving support to servermanagers > (like update info/ roadmaps and maybe server.cfg instruction) is also a > important factor! > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Olly > Verzonden: dinsdag 25 november 2008 11:55 > Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > files? > > They don't make it a pain.. If you don't know how to setup servers, then > maybe you shouldn't be doing so. There are 1000's of other servers that are > up and working fine without posting a whine thread. > > 2008/11/25 ccfan4326 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > What I meant is that those who rent and host L4D servers are helping > > to support the game. I guess it's not as significant as with > > CSS/TF2/etc, but yeah. It's not just Valve either. Why developers tend > > to make it a pain for server admins to setup a server for MP-centric > > games I do not know. > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > We are not paying them (valve) a cent to host servers. > > > > > > There is a once payment for the client install though. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ccfan4326 > > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 2:01 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > > files? > > > > > > We're the ones paying them and paying for servers to support their > > > game, is it too much to ask for some decent documentation? > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:57 PM, John Du Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >> Indeed. Everyone needs to stop whining about this. > > >> > > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:28 PM, msleeper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> I bet the Valve guys don't either. > > >>> > > >>> http://instantrimshot.com/ > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:07 -0800, Midnight wrote: > > >>> > I'd be happy to. My consulting fees are $250/hr, 50% in advance. > I > > >>> > don't work for free sorry. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > gulfy wrote: > > >>> > > Sounds like you're up to the challenge. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Midnight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Like he said though, there is not a central consolidated and up > to > > >>> date > > >>> > >> list of information about running L4D servers. It shouldn't > take > > > more > > >>> > >> than 30 minutes to put together and add to a wiki or forum page. > > >>> > >> Leaving everyone to their own devices to scour mailing lists and > > >>> forums > > >>> > >> looking for answers is pretty unprofessional frankly. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Kevin Ottalini wrote: > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> There have been qute a few posts from valve on the linux email > > list > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >> (about > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> L4D), look there too. > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > >>> > >> please visit: > > >>> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > __________ NOD32 3638 (20081125) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > welcome to the harsh real world. :) Tyrael _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
