Expensive, as in the minumum amount of disks required for a RAID10 array and expensive as in the end disk capacity. I would not touch and RAID card that was $10 as it is, more than likey, gonna fail on rebuild, impact your server performance as it is offloading all commands to system processors and is made of lego. Not the good lego, but that lego that doesn't fit together.
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Jake E <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:37:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic "RESTORE" Button (that's what it is in my case...) As for the person who said: "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small writes/read" I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that polls all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update info for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 and used one for my system. It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and 10. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > > > > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your > hard > > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and re-install. > > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise a > WD > > >> Black > > >> > > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core > > >> Clovertown Processors) > > >> > > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >> <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different tnagent > than > > >> what was asked. > > >> > > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk subsystem > the > > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with > disks > > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a > simple > > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk Writes, > Disk > > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you > grow. > > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my > opinion > > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. > > >> > > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did I > miss > > >> this in the thread? > > >> > > >> X > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > >> list<[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > > >> > > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current > SAS/SCSI > > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical uptime > > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the shorter > > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 > parity > > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards > > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable writes > > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has > > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware to > > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, downtime > > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... > > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > >> list<[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > > >> > > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to > > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server > > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not like > > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in time > > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would not > > >> be. > > >> > > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and just > read > > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. > > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a > > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are > better > > >> > for the job. > > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small mysql > > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. > > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to another > > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. > > >> > My Box Specs are 1U > > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons > > >> > 8GB DDR2 > > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. > > >> > > > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives under > > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them to > > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. > > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite > well, > > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on the > > >> > upgrade path. > > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, only > to > > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. > > >> > > > >> > Many Thanks > > >> > > > >> > Roy Jonas > > >> > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >> > please visit: > > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
