Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile device? Sent from my PC like a normal human being
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, [email protected] wrote: > Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored > (ex146GB) array. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > That's ok sir. > > The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was > actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the > disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks > and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, > it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for > RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state > they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution > in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. > > Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but > because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity > for a game server. > > Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. > **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jake E <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > Rosewill. > > Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains > most of it I guess. > HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. > But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing > to conclusions. > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What kind is it? > > > > On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic "RESTORE" > > > Button (that's what it is in my case...) > > > > > > As for the person who said: > > > > > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small > > > writes/read" > > > > > > I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that > > polls > > > all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update > > info > > > for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 > > > and used one for my system. > > > > > > It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and > > > 10. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > > >> > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > > >> > > > >> > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your > > >> hard > > >> > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and > > >> > > re-install. > > >> > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > > >> > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise > > a > > >> WD > > >> > >> Black > > >> > >> > > >> > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core > > >> > >> Clovertown Processors) > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> ________________________________ > > >> > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >> > >> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >> > >> <[email protected]> > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different > > tnagent > > >> than > > >> > >> what was asked. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk > > subsystem > > >> the > > >> > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with > > >> disks > > >> > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a > > >> simple > > >> > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk > > Writes, > > >> Disk > > >> > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you > > >> grow. > > >> > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my > > >> opinion > > >> > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did > > I > > >> miss > > >> > >> this in the thread? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> X > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: [email protected] > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 > > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > >> > >> list<[email protected]> > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current > > >> SAS/SCSI > > >> > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical > > >> > >> uptime > > >> > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the > > >> > >> shorter > > >> > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 > > >> parity > > >> > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards > > >> > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable > > writes > > >> > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that > > >> > >> has > > >> > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware > > >> > >> to > > >> > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, > > >> > >> downtime > > >> > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... > > >> > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 > > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > >> > >> list<[email protected]> > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to > > >> > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server > > >> > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not > > like > > >> > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in > > time > > >> > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would > > not > > >> > >> be. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and > > just > > >> read > > >> > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. > > >> > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a > > >> > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are > > >> better > > >> > >> > for the job. > > >> > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small > > mysql > > >> > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. > > >> > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to > > >> > >> > another > > >> > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. > > >> > >> > My Box Specs are 1U > > >> > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons > > >> > >> > 8GB DDR2 > > >> > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives > > >> > >> > under > > >> > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them > > >> > >> > to > > >> > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. > > >> > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite > > >> well, > > >> > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on > > the > > >> > >> > upgrade path. > > >> > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, > > only > > >> to > > >> > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Many Thanks > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Roy Jonas > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> archives, > > >> > >> > please visit: > > >> > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> > >> archives, > > >> > >> please visit: > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> > >> archives, > > >> > >> please visit: > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> > >> archives, > > >> > >> please visit: > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> > >> archives, > > >> > >> please visit: > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >> > > please visit: > > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
