Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for mirrored (ex146GB) array.
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose That's ok sir. The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity for a game server. Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Jake E <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose Rosewill. Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains most of it I guess. HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for rushing to conclusions. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: > What kind is it? > > On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic "RESTORE" > > Button (that's what it is in my case...) > > > > As for the person who said: > > > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small > > writes/read" > > > > I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that > polls > > all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update > info > > for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I bought 2 > > and used one for my system. > > > > It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, and > > 10. > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > >> > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > >> > > >> > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. Your > >> hard > >> > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and > >> > > re-install. > >> > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > >> > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. Otherwise > a > >> WD > >> > >> Black > >> > >> > >> > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad Core > >> > >> Clovertown Processors) > >> > >> > >> > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >> > >> <[email protected]> > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >> > >> > >> > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different > tnagent > >> than > >> > >> what was asked. > >> > >> > >> > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk > subsystem > >> the > >> > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard with > >> disks > >> > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) in a > >> simple > >> > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk > Writes, > >> Disk > >> > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as you > >> grow. > >> > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just my > >> opinion > >> > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. > >> > >> > >> > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or did > I > >> miss > >> > >> this in the thread? > >> > >> > >> > >> X > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > >> > >> list<[email protected]> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current > >> SAS/SCSI > >> > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical > >> > >> uptime > >> > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the > >> > >> shorter > >> > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 > >> parity > >> > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards > >> > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable > writes > >> > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that > >> > >> has > >> > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use VMware > >> > >> to > >> > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, > >> > >> downtime > >> > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure point... > >> > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > >> > >> list<[email protected]> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes to > >> > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the server > >> > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not > like > >> > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in > time > >> > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would > not > >> > >> be. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and > just > >> read > >> > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. > >> > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be running a > >> > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think are > >> better > >> > >> > for the job. > >> > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small > mysql > >> > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. > >> > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to > >> > >> > another > >> > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. > >> > >> > My Box Specs are 1U > >> > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons > >> > >> > 8GB DDR2 > >> > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard drives. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives > >> > >> > under > >> > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade them > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. > >> > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform quite > >> well, > >> > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on > the > >> > >> > upgrade path. > >> > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, > only > >> to > >> > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Many Thanks > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Roy Jonas > >> > >> > > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> > >> > please visit: > >> > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > >> archives, > >> > >> please visit: > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > >> archives, > >> > >> please visit: > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > >> archives, > >> > >> please visit: > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > >> archives, > >> > >> please visit: > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> > > please visit: > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
