Eeeeeeew :P On 4/29/09, Robert Whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > Dingleberries pwn all :p > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:13:04 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > Blackberries are easy to type on :) > > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >> Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile >> device? >> >> Sent from my PC like a normal human being >> >> >> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >>> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for >>> mirrored (ex146GB) array. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> >>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>> list<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> >>> >>> That's ok sir. >>> >>> The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I >>> was >>> actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the >>> disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB >>> disks >>> and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped >>> mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just >>> requiring >>> 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some >>> vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may >>> be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of >>> capacity. >>> >>> Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but >>> because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end >>> capacity for a game server. >>> >>> Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are >>> correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jake E <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>> list<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> >>> >>> Rosewill. >>> >>> Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains >>> most of it I guess. >>> HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. >>> But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for >>> rushing >>> to conclusions. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > What kind is it? >>> > >>> > On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic >>> > > "RESTORE" >>> > > Button (that's what it is in my case...) >>> > > >>> > > As for the person who said: >>> > > >>> > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small >>> > > writes/read" >>> > > >>> > > I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that >>> > polls >>> > > all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update >>> > info >>> > > for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I >>> > > bought 2 >>> > > and used one for my system. >>> > > >>> > > It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, >>> > > and >>> > > 10. >>> > > >>> > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: >>> > >> > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. >>> > >> > > Your >>> > >> hard >>> > >> > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and >>> > >> > > re-install. >>> > >> > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: >>> > >> > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. >>> > >> > >> Otherwise >>> > a >>> > >> WD >>> > >> > >> Black >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad >>> > >> > >> Core >>> > >> > >> Clovertown Processors) >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> ________________________________ >>> > >> > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> > >> > >> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>> > >> > >> list >>> > >> > >> <[email protected]> >>> > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM >>> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different >>> > tnagent >>> > >> than >>> > >> > >> what was asked. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk >>> > subsystem >>> > >> the >>> > >> > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard >>> > >> > >> with >>> > >> disks >>> > >> > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) >>> > >> > >> in a >>> > >> simple >>> > >> > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk >>> > Writes, >>> > >> Disk >>> > >> > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as >>> > >> > >> you >>> > >> grow. >>> > >> > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just >>> > >> > >> my >>> > >> opinion >>> > >> > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or >>> > >> > >> did >>> > I >>> > >> miss >>> > >> > >> this in the thread? >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> X >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> > >> > >> From: [email protected] >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 >>> > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>> > >> > >> list<[email protected]> >>> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current >>> > >> SAS/SCSI >>> > >> > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical >>> > >> > >> uptime >>> > >> > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the >>> > >> > >> shorter >>> > >> > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are >>> > >> > >> 2 >>> > >> parity >>> > >> > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards >>> > >> > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable >>> > writes >>> > >> > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app >>> > >> > >> that >>> > >> > >> has >>> > >> > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use >>> > >> > >> VMware >>> > >> > >> to >>> > >> > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, >>> > >> > >> downtime >>> > >> > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure >>> > >> > >> point... >>> > >> > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> > >> > >> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 >>> > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>> > >> > >> list<[email protected]> >>> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it >>> > >> > >> comes >>> > >> > >> to >>> > >> > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the >>> > >> > >> server >>> > >> > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's >>> > >> > >> not >>> > like >>> > >> > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished >>> > >> > >> in >>> > time >>> > >> > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it >>> > >> > >> would >>> > not >>> > >> > >> be. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >> > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and >>> > just >>> > >> read >>> > >> > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. >>> > >> > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be >>> > >> > >> > running a >>> > >> > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think >>> > >> > >> > are >>> > >> better >>> > >> > >> > for the job. >>> > >> > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small >>> > mysql >>> > >> > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. >>> > >> > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to >>> > >> > >> > another >>> > >> > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. >>> > >> > >> > My Box Specs are 1U >>> > >> > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons >>> > >> > >> > 8GB DDR2 >>> > >> > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard >>> > >> > >> > drives. >>> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard >>> > >> > >> > drives >>> > >> > >> > under >>> > >> > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade >>> > >> > >> > them >>> > >> > >> > to >>> > >> > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. >>> > >> > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform >>> > >> > >> > quite >>> > >> well, >>> > >> > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide >>> > >> > >> > on >>> > the >>> > >> > >> > upgrade path. >>> > >> > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, >>> > only >>> > >> to >>> > >> > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. >>> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > Many Thanks >>> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > Roy Jonas >>> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >>> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> > >> archives, >>> > >> > >> > please visit: >>> > >> > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> > >> > >> archives, >>> > 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