Blackberries are easy to type on :) On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile > device? > > Sent from my PC like a normal human being > > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for >> mirrored (ex146GB) array. >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> >> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >> list<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> >> >> That's ok sir. >> >> The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I was >> actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather the >> disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB disks >> and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped >> mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring >> 2 disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some >> vendors may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may >> be a better solution in most cases where you require this amount of >> capacity. >> >> Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but >> because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end >> capacity for a game server. >> >> Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are >> correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jake E <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >> list<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> >> >> Rosewill. >> >> Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains >> most of it I guess. >> HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. >> But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for >> rushing >> to conclusions. >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > What kind is it? >> > >> > On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic >> > > "RESTORE" >> > > Button (that's what it is in my case...) >> > > >> > > As for the person who said: >> > > >> > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small >> > > writes/read" >> > > >> > > I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that >> > polls >> > > all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update >> > info >> > > for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I >> > > bought 2 >> > > and used one for my system. >> > > >> > > It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, >> > > and >> > > 10. >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: >> > >> > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. >> > >> > > Your >> > >> hard >> > >> > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and >> > >> > > re-install. >> > >> > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: >> > >> > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. >> > >> > >> Otherwise >> > a >> > >> WD >> > >> > >> Black >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad >> > >> > >> Core >> > >> > >> Clovertown Processors) >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > >> > >> <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different >> > tnagent >> > >> than >> > >> > >> what was asked. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk >> > subsystem >> > >> the >> > >> > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard >> > >> > >> with >> > >> disks >> > >> > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) >> > >> > >> in a >> > >> simple >> > >> > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk >> > Writes, >> > >> Disk >> > >> > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as >> > >> > >> you >> > >> grow. >> > >> > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just >> > >> > >> my >> > >> opinion >> > >> > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or >> > >> > >> did >> > I >> > >> miss >> > >> > >> this in the thread? >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> X >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > >> From: [email protected] >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 >> > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >> > >> > >> list<[email protected]> >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current >> > >> SAS/SCSI >> > >> > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical >> > >> > >> uptime >> > >> > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the >> > >> > >> shorter >> > >> > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are 2 >> > >> parity >> > >> > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards >> > >> > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable >> > writes >> > >> > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app >> > >> > >> that >> > >> > >> has >> > >> > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use >> > >> > >> VMware >> > >> > >> to >> > >> > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, >> > >> > >> downtime >> > >> > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure >> > >> > >> point... >> > >> > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > >> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 >> > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >> > >> > >> list<[email protected]> >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it comes >> > >> > >> to >> > >> > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the >> > >> > >> server >> > >> > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's not >> > like >> > >> > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished in >> > time >> > >> > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it would >> > not >> > >> > >> be. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and >> > just >> > >> read >> > >> > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. >> > >> > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be >> > >> > >> > running a >> > >> > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think >> > >> > >> > are >> > >> better >> > >> > >> > for the job. >> > >> > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small >> > mysql >> > >> > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. >> > >> > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to >> > >> > >> > another >> > >> > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. >> > >> > >> > My Box Specs are 1U >> > >> > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons >> > >> > >> > 8GB DDR2 >> > >> > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard >> > >> > >> > drives. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard drives >> > >> > >> > under >> > >> > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade >> > >> > >> > them >> > >> > >> > to >> > >> > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. >> > >> > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform >> > >> > >> > quite >> > >> well, >> > >> > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide on >> > the >> > >> > >> > upgrade path. >> > >> > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, >> > only >> > >> to >> > >> > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Roy Jonas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> archives, >> > >> > >> > please visit: >> > >> > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> > >> archives, >> > >> > >> please visit: >> > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> > >> archives, >> > >> > >> please visit: >> > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> > >> archives, >> > >> > >> please visit: >> > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> > >> archives, >> > >> > >> please visit: >> > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > >> > > please visit: >> > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> archives, >> > >> please visit: >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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