Faggotry alert! On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote:
> Not everyone. Mostly just Patrick Shelley who obviously has some > secret > crush on msleeper. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM, f0rkz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from >> everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his >> posts just to get your daily BP raise. >> >> On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: >> >>> Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can >>> can i >>> say..... He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. >>> >>> Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what >>>> makes it >>>> interesting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: msleeper <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 >>>> To: <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>> >>>> >>>> Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile >>>> device? >>>> >>>> Sent from my PC like a normal human being >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result >>>>> for >>>> mirrored (ex146GB) array. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >>>> [email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's ok sir. >>>>> >>>>> The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. >>>>> What I >>>> was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but >>>> rather >>>> the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x >>>> 146GB >>>> disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is >>>> striped >>>> mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just >>>> requiring 2 >>>> disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes >>>> some vendors >>>> may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be >>>> a better >>>> solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. >>>>> >>>>> Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar >>>>> wise, but >>>> because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end >>>> capacity >>>> for a game server. >>>>> >>>>> Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but >>>>> are >>>> correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored >>>> set. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jake E <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >>>> [email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rosewill. >>>>> >>>>> Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that >>>>> explains >>>>> most of it I guess. >>>>> HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. >>>>> But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry >>>>> for >>>> rushing >>>>> to conclusions. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What kind is it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic >>>> "RESTORE" >>>>>>> Button (that's what it is in my case...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the person who said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has >>>>>>> small >>>>>>> writes/read" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine >>>>>>> that >>>>>> polls >>>>>>> all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and >>>>>>> update >>>>>> info >>>>>>> for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I >>>> bought 2 >>>>>>> and used one for my system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports >>>>>>> 0, 1, >>>> and >>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: >>>>>>>>> But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit >>>>>>>>>> overkill. >>>> Your >>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>>> drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and >>>>>>>>>> re-install. >>>>>>>>>> It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. >>>> Otherwise >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> WD >>>>>>>>>>> Black >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 >>>>>>>>>>> Quad >>>> Core >>>>>>>>>>> Clovertown Processors) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>> list >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a >>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>> tnagent >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>> what was asked. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk >>>>>> subsystem >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> choke point for future growth. I would also not go >>>>>>>>>>> overboard >>>> with >>>>>>>> disks >>>>>>>>>>> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS >>>>>>>>>>> (146/300GB) >>>> in a >>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, >>>>>>>>>>> Disk >>>>>> Writes, >>>>>>>> Disk >>>>>>>>>>> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>> you >>>>>>>> grow. >>>>>>>>>>> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>> my >>>>>>>> opinion >>>>>>>>>>> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? >>>>>>>>>>> Or >>>> did >>>>>> I >>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>> this in the thread? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> X >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless >>>>>>>>>>> Network >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 >>>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>>>>>>>>> list<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs >>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>> SAS/SCSI >>>>>>>>>>> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for >>>>>>>>>>> critical >>>>>>>>>>> uptime >>>>>>>>>>> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> shorter >>>>>>>>>>> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>> 2 >>>>>>>> parity >>>>>>>>>>> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA >>>>>>>>>>> cards >>>>>>>>>>> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra >>>>>>>>>>> avalable >>>>>> writes >>>>>>>>>>> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an >>>>>>>>>>> app >>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use >>>> VMware >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a >>>>>>>>>>> pinch, >>>>>>>>>>> downtime >>>>>>>>>>> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure >>>> point... >>>>>>>>>>> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless >>>>>>>>>>> Network >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 >>>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>>>>>>>>> list<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it >>>> comes to >>>>>>>>>>> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the >>>> server >>>>>>>>>>> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's >>>> not >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> they have to wait for the server, the server will be >>>>>>>>>>> finished >>>> in >>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it >>>> would >>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> be. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>> just >>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>> what's going on, scanning it for useful information. >>>>>>>>>>>> I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be >>>> running a >>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think >>>> are >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>> for the job. >>>>>>>>>>>> The box will be running at first a couple of websites, >>>>>>>>>>>> small >>>>>> mysql >>>>>>>>>>>> databases, and then of course mainly game servers. >>>>>>>>>>>> The websites and database etc will be moved from this box >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>> down the line, and it will then only run game servers. >>>>>>>>>>>> My Box Specs are 1U >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x Quad Core Xeons >>>>>>>>>>>> 8GB DDR2 >>>>>>>>>>>> 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard >>>> drives. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Should i be worried about the performance of these hard >>>> drives >>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>> load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i >>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform >>>> quite >>>>>>>> well, >>>>>>>>>>>> but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide >>>> on >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade path. >>>>>>>>>>>> I would hate to put all this time into setting everything >>>>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>> only >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Jonas >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> f0rkz >> f7lans.com - 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