Not everyone. Mostly just Patrick Shelley who obviously has some secret crush on msleeper.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM, f0rkz <h...@f0rkznet.net> wrote: > I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from > everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his > posts just to get your daily BP raise. > > On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: > > > Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can > > can i > > say..... He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. > > > > Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. > > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, <xt...@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > >> Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it > >> interesting. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 > >> To: <xt...@shaw.ca>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > >> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >> > >> > >> Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile > >> device? > >> > >> Sent from my PC like a normal human being > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: > >>> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for > >> mirrored (ex146GB) array. > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: xt...@shaw.ca > >>> > >>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > >> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >>> > >>> > >>> That's ok sir. > >>> > >>> The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. > >>> What I > >> was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but > >> rather > >> the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x > >> 146GB > >> disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is > >> striped > >> mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just > >> requiring 2 > >> disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes > >> some vendors > >> may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be > >> a better > >> solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. > >>> > >>> Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar > >>> wise, but > >> because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end > >> capacity > >> for a game server. > >>> > >>> Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are > >> correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > >> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >>> > >>> > >>> Rosewill. > >>> > >>> Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that > >>> explains > >>> most of it I guess. > >>> HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. > >>> But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for > >> rushing > >>> to conclusions. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <cc2isc...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> What kind is it? > >>>> > >>>> On 4/29/09, Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic > >> "RESTORE" > >>>>> Button (that's what it is in my case...) > >>>>> > >>>>> As for the person who said: > >>>>> > >>>>> "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small > >>>>> writes/read" > >>>>> > >>>>> I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine > >>>>> that > >>>> polls > >>>>> all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and > >>>>> update > >>>> info > >>>>> for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I > >> bought 2 > >>>>> and used one for my system. > >>>>> > >>>>> It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports > >>>>> 0, 1, > >> and > >>>>> 10. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > >>>>>>> But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/29/09, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. > >> Your > >>>>>> hard > >>>>>>>> drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and > >>>>>>>> re-install. > >>>>>>>> It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. > >> Otherwise > >>>> a > >>>>>> WD > >>>>>>>>> Black > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad > >> Core > >>>>>>>>> Clovertown Processors) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> From: "xt...@shaw.ca" <xt...@shaw.ca> > >>>>>>>>> To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > >> list > >>>>>>>>> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different > >>>> tnagent > >>>>>> than > >>>>>>>>> what was asked. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk > >>>> subsystem > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard > >> with > >>>>>> disks > >>>>>>>>> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) > >> in a > >>>>>> simple > >>>>>>>>> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk > >>>> Writes, > >>>>>> Disk > >>>>>>>>> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as > >> you > >>>>>> grow. > >>>>>>>>> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just > >> my > >>>>>> opinion > >>>>>>>>> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? > >>>>>>>>> Or > >> did > >>>> I > >>>>>> miss > >>>>>>>>> this in the thread? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> X > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: xt...@shaw.ca > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 > >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > >>>>>>>>> list<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs > >>>>>>>>> current > >>>>>> SAS/SCSI > >>>>>>>>> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for > >>>>>>>>> critical > >>>>>>>>> uptime > >>>>>>>>> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the > >>>>>>>>> shorter > >>>>>>>>> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are > >> 2 > >>>>>> parity > >>>>>>>>> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards > >>>>>>>>> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable > >>>> writes > >>>>>>>>> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app > >> that > >>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use > >> VMware > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, > >>>>>>>>> downtime > >>>>>>>>> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure > >> point... > >>>>>>>>> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Donnie Newlove <donnie.newl...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 > >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > >>>>>>>>> list<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it > >> comes to > >>>>>>>>> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the > >> server > >>>>>>>>> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's > >> not > >>>> like > >>>>>>>>> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished > >> in > >>>> time > >>>>>>>>> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it > >> would > >>>> not > >>>>>>>>> be. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <pmadma...@hotmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and > >>>> just > >>>>>> read > >>>>>>>>>> what's going on, scanning it for useful information. > >>>>>>>>>> I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be > >> running a > >>>>>>>>>> dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think > >> are > >>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>> for the job. > >>>>>>>>>> The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small > >>>> mysql > >>>>>>>>>> databases, and then of course mainly game servers. > >>>>>>>>>> The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to > >>>>>>>>>> another > >>>>>>>>>> down the line, and it will then only run game servers. > >>>>>>>>>> My Box Specs are 1U > >>>>>>>>>> 2 x Quad Core Xeons > >>>>>>>>>> 8GB DDR2 > >>>>>>>>>> 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard > >> drives. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Should i be worried about the performance of these hard > >> drives > >>>>>>>>>> under > >>>>>>>>>> load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade > >> them > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. > >>>>>>>>>> I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform > >> quite > >>>>>> well, > >>>>>>>>>> but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide > >> on > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> upgrade path. > >>>>>>>>>> I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, > >>>> only > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Roy Jonas > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>> archives, > >>>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> archives, > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> archives, > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> archives, > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> archives, > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>> archives, > >>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>> please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Sent from my mobile device > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>> archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > f0rkz > f7lans.com - 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