Hehe, I was more enjoying the razing more than anything. I have been lurking, on and off, for the last couple of years and knew what to expect.
I think msleeper was reffering to the 1hr it took for me to correct my foul simple math. It was a good call. Geek social interaction is not one of life's greatest graces...;) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: f0rkz <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:17:59 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose I honestly think its funny how he can successfully get a rise from everyone on a day to day basis. It is almost like you look for his posts just to get your daily BP raise. On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Patrick Shelley wrote: > Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can > can i > say..... He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual. > > Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it >> interesting. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msleeper <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 >> To: <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >> [email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >> >> >> Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile >> device? >> >> Sent from my PC like a normal human being >> >> >> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >>> Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for >> mirrored (ex146GB) array. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> >>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >> [email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> >>> >>> That's ok sir. >>> >>> The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. >>> What I >> was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but >> rather >> the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x >> 146GB >> disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is >> striped >> mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just >> requiring 2 >> disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes >> some vendors >> may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be >> a better >> solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. >>> >>> Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar >>> wise, but >> because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end >> capacity >> for a game server. >>> >>> Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are >> correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jake E <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< >> [email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>> >>> >>> Rosewill. >>> >>> Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that >>> explains >>> most of it I guess. >>> HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. >>> But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for >> rushing >>> to conclusions. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What kind is it? >>>> >>>> On 4/29/09, Jake E <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic >> "RESTORE" >>>>> Button (that's what it is in my case...) >>>>> >>>>> As for the person who said: >>>>> >>>>> "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small >>>>> writes/read" >>>>> >>>>> I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine >>>>> that >>>> polls >>>>> all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and >>>>> update >>>> info >>>>> for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I >> bought 2 >>>>> and used one for my system. >>>>> >>>>> It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports >>>>> 0, 1, >> and >>>>> 10. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: >>>>>>> But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/29/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. >> Your >>>>>> hard >>>>>>>> drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and >>>>>>>> re-install. >>>>>>>> It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: >>>>>>>>> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. >> Otherwise >>>> a >>>>>> WD >>>>>>>>> Black >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad >> Core >>>>>>>>> Clovertown Processors) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >> list >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different >>>> tnagent >>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> what was asked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk >>>> subsystem >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard >> with >>>>>> disks >>>>>>>>> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) >> in a >>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk >>>> Writes, >>>>>> Disk >>>>>>>>> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as >> you >>>>>> grow. >>>>>>>>> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just >> my >>>>>> opinion >>>>>>>>> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? >>>>>>>>> Or >> did >>>> I >>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> this in the thread? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> X >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>>>>>>> list<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs >>>>>>>>> current >>>>>> SAS/SCSI >>>>>>>>> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for >>>>>>>>> critical >>>>>>>>> uptime >>>>>>>>> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the >>>>>>>>> shorter >>>>>>>>> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are >> 2 >>>>>> parity >>>>>>>>> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards >>>>>>>>> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable >>>> writes >>>>>>>>> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app >> that >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use >> VMware >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, >>>>>>>>> downtime >>>>>>>>> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure >> point... >>>>>>>>> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Donnie Newlove <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>>>>>>> list<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it >> comes to >>>>>>>>> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the >> server >>>>>>>>> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's >> not >>>> like >>>>>>>>> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished >> in >>>> time >>>>>>>>> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it >> would >>>> not >>>>>>>>> be. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and >>>> just >>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>> what's going on, scanning it for useful information. >>>>>>>>>> I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be >> running a >>>>>>>>>> dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think >> are >>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> for the job. >>>>>>>>>> The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small >>>> mysql >>>>>>>>>> databases, and then of course mainly game servers. >>>>>>>>>> The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> down the line, and it will then only run game servers. >>>>>>>>>> My Box Specs are 1U >>>>>>>>>> 2 x Quad Core Xeons >>>>>>>>>> 8GB DDR2 >>>>>>>>>> 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard >> drives. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Should i be worried about the performance of these hard >> drives >>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>> load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade >> them >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. >>>>>>>>>> I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform >> quite >>>>>> well, >>>>>>>>>> but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide >> on >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> upgrade path. >>>>>>>>>> I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, >>>> only >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Roy Jonas >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
