Xtenz, Its unfortunate you got 'pwned' by msleeper there. What can can i say..... He's just a l33t dick mouthing off as per usual.
Dont worry though, no one likes him, we all think hes a total cock. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:22 AM, <xt...@shaw.ca> wrote: > Would hardly call you a normal human being. But that's what makes it > interesting. > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > -----Original Message----- > From: msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:16:52 > To: <xt...@shaw.ca>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > Did it take you an hour to type that on your super awesome mobile > device? > > Sent from my PC like a normal human being > > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 02:12 +0000, xt...@shaw.ca wrote: > > Bad mathematics there... 500Gb should read 146GB as end result for > mirrored (ex146GB) array. > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xt...@shaw.ca > > > > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:18:18 > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > > > > That's ok sir. > > > > The word usage I had used could have been mistaken for others. What I > was actually defining *Expensive is not in dollars, so to say, but rather > the disk cost ie. RAID1 is a mirrored set so you start out with 2x 146GB > disks and end usable disk capacity is only 500GB. Since RAID10 is striped > mirrors, it is exactly the same disk cost except instead of just requiring 2 > disks for RAID1 but RAID10 would require a minimum 6 disks (yes some vendors > may state they can stripe partitions...but why). 5EE or 60 may be a better > solution in most cases where you require this amount of capacity. > > > > Having said this, RAID10 would not make sense, not only dollar wise, but > because you don't need the overall read/write headroom not the end capacity > for a game server. > > > > Read into Robert and msleepers comments. They may be brash, but are > correct. **Although I still prefer at least a hardware mirrored set. > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:49:00 > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list< > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > > > > Rosewill. > > > > Actually the speed we won't notice, since it was IDE... so that explains > > most of it I guess. > > HDD's are getting cheaper and cheaper. > > But i did forget about the cost if the actual hard drives, sorry for > rushing > > to conclusions. > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Cc2iscooL <cc2isc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What kind is it? > > > > > > On 4/29/09, Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yes. RAID is simple > Go into you're RAID Bios, press the magic > "RESTORE" > > > > Button (that's what it is in my case...) > > > > > > > > As for the person who said: > > > > > > > > "RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app that has small > > > > writes/read" > > > > > > > > I recently bought a RAID Card for my dad's corp (for the machine that > > > polls > > > > all the other 7 stores, some 8 hrs away by car, to collect and update > > > info > > > > for a WINDOWS 98 computer. It was compatable with up to Vista. I > bought 2 > > > > and used one for my system. > > > > > > > > It was a total of ... OMG... $18 with shipping! And it supports 0, 1, > and > > > > 10. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Right because restoring from RAID is a walk in the park. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 18:00 -0500, Cc2iscooL wrote: > > > >> > But that's too much work for us lazy server admins. > > > >> > > > > >> > On 4/29/09, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> wrote: > > > >> > > Yeah I have to agree, this whole RAID thing is a bit overkill. > Your > > > >> hard > > > >> > > drive dies? Pay your host the $20 to replace your drive and > > > >> > > re-install. > > > >> > > It's a game server, it will take like 30 minutes. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 06:51 -0700, Robert Whelan wrote: > > > >> > >> Its a game server...lol 10K SAS 146GB would do you fine. > Otherwise > > > a > > > >> WD > > > >> > >> Black > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> I have 13 servers easily running off ours (Dual Xeon 5335 Quad > Core > > > >> > >> Clovertown Processors) > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Create an Image, you can always upgrade if needed... > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> ________________________________ > > > >> > >> From: "xt...@shaw.ca" <xt...@shaw.ca> > > > >> > >> To: xt...@shaw.ca; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > list > > > >> > >> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01:25 AM > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Ack, replying to my reply, it seems I went off on a different > > > tnagent > > > >> than > > > >> > >> what was asked. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> You have a fairly *beefy server. I would not make the disk > > > subsystem > > > >> the > > > >> > >> choke point for future growth. I would also not go overboard > with > > > >> disks > > > >> > >> or expensive RAID sets. I would recommend 10K SAS (146/300GB) > in a > > > >> simple > > > >> > >> RAID1. I would start with some perf counters Disk Read, Disk > > > Writes, > > > >> Disk > > > >> > >> Queue, CPU and you can grow your server knowing the impact as > you > > > >> grow. > > > >> > >> You can always add more disks later. This is, of course, just > my > > > >> opinion > > > >> > >> and opinions will vary upon everyones current experince. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Any idea how many servers and expected clients/connections? Or > did > > > I > > > >> miss > > > >> > >> this in the thread? > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> X > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> > >> From: xt...@shaw.ca > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:37 > > > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > > >> > >> list<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> IMO, RAID1 would be sufficient especially with the IOPs current > > > >> SAS/SCSI > > > >> > >> or even SATA drives provide. If RAID5 is required for critical > > > >> > >> uptime > > > >> > >> then I would go as far as to suggest RAID6 just because of the > > > >> > >> shorter > > > >> > >> rebuild time and higher success rate for rebuilds as there are > 2 > > > >> parity > > > >> > >> stripes to build from. There are fairly cheap SAS/SATA cards > > > >> > >> (Adaptec/3ware/Areca) as a solution but are the extra avalable > > > writes > > > >> > >> required? RAID10 is just too expensive a solution for an app > that > > > >> > >> has > > > >> > >> small writes/reads. RAID1, IMO, is sufficient...why not use > VMware > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> copy/move a VM each night off a JBOD or RAID1 so, in a pinch, > > > >> > >> downtime > > > >> > >> could be reduced to minutes, depending on hardware failure > point... > > > >> > >> Without the performance degradation of disk rebuilds. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> > >> From: Donnie Newlove <donnie.newl...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:44 > > > >> > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > > > >> > >> list<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Harddrives which to choose > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Is there really any reason to use expensive setups when it > comes to > > > >> > >> storage? The harddrive is barley used at all except when the > server > > > >> > >> change level but the clients have to do that as well so it's > not > > > like > > > >> > >> they have to wait for the server, the server will be finished > in > > > time > > > >> > >> even with an average consumer drive, there is no reason it > would > > > not > > > >> > >> be. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mdma <pmadma...@hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, i usually sit back and > > > just > > > >> read > > > >> > >> > what's going on, scanning it for useful information. > > > >> > >> > I need some help regarding hard drives. I'm going to be > running a > > > >> > >> > dedicated server soon and want to know which you guys think > are > > > >> better > > > >> > >> > for the job. > > > >> > >> > The box will be running at first a couple of websites, small > > > mysql > > > >> > >> > databases, and then of course mainly game servers. > > > >> > >> > The websites and database etc will be moved from this box to > > > >> > >> > another > > > >> > >> > down the line, and it will then only run game servers. > > > >> > >> > My Box Specs are 1U > > > >> > >> > 2 x Quad Core Xeons > > > >> > >> > 8GB DDR2 > > > >> > >> > 250GB Seagate CUDA ES, 7200rpm 32mb cache, with NCQ hard > drives. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Should i be worried about the performance of these hard > drives > > > >> > >> > under > > > >> > >> > load, running multiple game servers etc, or should i upgrade > them > > > >> > >> > to > > > >> > >> > Seagate Cheetah 15k rpm SAS drives, or 10k rpm Raptors. > > > >> > >> > I have been told by some that the 10k rpm Raptors perform > quite > > > >> well, > > > >> > >> > but i would like the opinions of you guys to help me decide > on > > > the > > > >> > >> > upgrade path. > > > >> > >> > I would hate to put all this time into setting everything up, > > > only > > > >> to > > > >> > >> > have the hard drives cause me issues down the track. > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Many Thanks > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Roy Jonas > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > > > >> > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> archives, > > > >> > >> > please visit: > > > >> > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> > >> archives, > > > >> > >> please visit: > > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> > >> archives, > > > >> > >> please visit: > > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> > >> archives, > > > >> > >> please visit: > > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> > >> archives, > > > >> > >> please visit: > > > >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > >> > > please visit: > > > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > >> please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
