Yes, Valve did a great game and we all agree with that and with the fact that if TF2 has a so long lifetime is because of the 119 updates. But without the community, mappers, scripters, modders who "creating FREE content to ANYONE who owned the game" is the game so alive ? Valve also taking advantage of this content building with their tools and released for free.
This update kill a big part of this potential of creativity. I understand the need of cash from Valve and the mercantile logical which is in the fog behind these changes... But it just sucks. 2010/5/3 HL-SDK Synths <[email protected]> > No, "Flubber" is just butthurt because he is too stupid to understand that > his servers are populated by idiots. > > Now for some potential suggestions: Perhaps the reason for the update is to > make way for more community or update-based content. Maybe the current > systems needed to be upgraded in order to implement whatever the TF2 team > may have in store in the future. > > As for whoever mentioned Valve software not being very "QoS" oriented > (Flubber again): > > The game is one of the largest successes valve has had, it has been sold > for > $5 at times. Hundreds of hours were spent by the team creating FREE content > to ANYONE who owned the game. Gameplay was expended, _FOUR_ gamemodes were > introduced. Community maps were sponsored, interactive update events were > created (war update, etc). > > You're an idiot > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Drogen Viech <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Is the internet even 30 years old? > > > > 2010/5/3 Scott <[email protected]>: > > > What games on the pc were you playing 30 years ago? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On May 2, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Flubber <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Ohhh an asshole, usual iguess. You're so far away from the truth > > >> that's so > > >> funny (can't say i'm suprised anyway seeing where this list is > > >> going). Our > > >> community is 25-30 years old, i don't need anyone from the outside > > >> on our > > >> customs servers 'till it's full from morning to midnight. We got a > > >> hundred > > >> of players in slot reserved, and aroun 200 waiting for one. You see > > >> i don't > > >> give a shit about random players.I've autobanned asshole who spam > > >> and moroon > > >> with hlss. The facts is that we got talented modeler and they made > > >> great > > >> effort making our server a continuitty from the paper magazine it > > >> came from. > > >> So if your small develloped brain could see further that random > > >> players > > >> joining a random server, you may discover what is a true community. > > >> For now > > >> i can just counseil to you to stop playing full crit orange X with > > >> Kevin > > >> from Utah and go PVE les chialeuses. > > >> > > >> > > >> 2010/5/2 mfan <[email protected]> > > >> > > >>> OH MAN THEY STOPPED MY SHITTY CUSTOM HATS THAT ATTRACTED AN > > >>> ADDITIONAL > > >>> 4% OF USERS, MAINLY 13 YEAR OLD MIC SPAMMERS. SHIRLY THEY WON'T > > >>> RECTIFY > > >>> THIS IN ANY WAY. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> somebody make a petition. > > >>> > > >>> Flubber wrote: > > >>>> Then just give the ability to make custom hats, that's just fucking > > >>>> ridiculous to block every creative idea people got. More, Valve > > >>>> clearly > > >>> used > > >>>> or at least inspired themselfs from existing community hats for > > >>>> almost > > >>> all > > >>>> the first wave. Why worked for money when others do it for free > > >>>> for you. > > >>>> Valve used to be reprsentative of a quality of service towards > > >>>> community, > > >>>> now it's just EA Bis. > > >>>> > > >>>> 2010/5/2 1nsane <[email protected]> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Perhaps Valve is getting ready to sell hats themselves, and as > > >>>>> such they > > >>> do > > >>>>> not want people to get their hats free from servers with a hat > > >>>>> plugin. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Joeri van der Velden < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Why was the functionality removed anyway? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - Clavus > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 2010/5/2 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "Are there any other mods/plugins that are effected by this > > >>>>>>> other than > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>>> listed on the petition." > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It breaks anything that wants to attach a model to a player. > > >>>>>>> Not just > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> hats > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> or weapons. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There is a variety of ways this can be used for creativity and > > >>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>> essentially breaks it, purposely. I usually don't ever complain > > >>>>>>> when > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> they > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> make changes to the game and break plug-ins, usually those are > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> side-effects > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> of them making other changes, this changed was targeted and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> intentional. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> The petition was just an alternative use of my time, either I was > > >>> going > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> spend time circumventing the existing restriction (which would > > >>> probably > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> get > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> fixed if they kept this policy), or I could spend the time > > >>>>>>> asking them > > >>>>>>> nicely to reverse this policy and get the community involved. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Also, this doesn't prevent server ops from issuing overpowered > > >>>>>>> weapons > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> or > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> other things that drastically affect game play. All that > > >>>>>>> happens is > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> client doesn't render the model. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I wasn't going to post this petition to the list (prefer to do > > >>>>>>> so on > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> other > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> community sites), but since it's here I figured I'd explain it a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> little. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> In the end, I hope valve reconsiders. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - voogru. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > >>>>>>> Alexander > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Baade > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:54 PM > > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Are there any other mods/plugins that are effected by this > > >>>>>>> other than > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> listed on the petition. I personally don't care about these > > >>>>>>> because a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> lot > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> of server admins will use the hat mod and charge players for > > >>>>>>> them. It > > >>>>>>> angers me to no end that I have to download a boat load of custom > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> content > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> and then I cant use it unless I donate to the server. These > > >>>>>>> servers > > >>>>>>> typically go on my blacklist. I could over look this fact but > > >>>>>>> I'm not > > >>>>>>> going > > >>>>>>> to because there are a lot of servers out there who have stolen > > >>>>>>> custom > > >>>>>>> maps/content from my clan and heavily rely on these plugins. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Justin < > [email protected] > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> https://secure.voogru.com/petition/index.php > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Justin Fortin < > > [email protected] > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Any word on a fix for this yet? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPod > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Msilbys12 < > > [email protected] > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a client problem > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from the best phone ever > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Matt Hoffman > > >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, crashing on every server I connect to. (As a client > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> obviously) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Justin Fortin > > >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So you got everything serverwide working, but it seems like > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> anyone > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jo > > >>>>>>>>>>>> has updated the client will crash when they try to connect. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPod > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Noel <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My Windows servers are both up and running and joinable > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> now. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates seemed > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to take a minute or so longer than usual, but no problems > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> MM/ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> SM > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> running. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > 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