When things like tf_mm_strict not matching it's description are let through, it makes me question their testing, considering that cvar alone was half of one of the updates.
Furthermore, the graphical issues we've seen (players swapping models with robots) seems likely to have cropped up in testing. I know they tested this update a lot, but why are these things still getting through? I think that's the real issue there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Formologic23 <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:03 am Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' <[email protected]> > "Valve didn't take the time to boot up a single server and test their > changes and instead decided to rollout a completely non- > functional update to > close to 5000 severs." > > Statements like this just make you look ridiculous. Do you work > at Valve? > I'm sure you have insider information to back this statement up. > > Round 2 - "It should be the bare minimum standard and it is blatantly > obvious is was not met." > > Then why haven't I had any problems with my servers? Again, > complaining in > an unproductive manner. > > Say what you will. I've worked in two retail environments as a Retail > Operations Manager and was quite successful. I know what it > takes, and I > know how to treat my customers. The people like you who are > never happy and > always complain get ignored in the long run. Sure, you feel good about > getting your bill reduced, or things "given" to you free of > charge. It's a > short term solution and once a company feels like they've got > you silenced, > they go back to their ways. A few people complaining on a > mailing list > definitely get ignored who bring nothing to the table. Why do > you think you > feel this happens over and over to you and your community? > > Anyways, we're going to be spinning our wheels poking at each > other. I've > got 300 emails in my box since the new update came out and my > point with all > this was there are so many threads that are NOT productive. The > people who > are "complaining" but bringing some productive comments are much > fartherahead. That's all I'm asking at least. My replies aren't > helping either > since I'm not bring solutions. Consider this my last > unproductive post. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Pettit > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:53 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > "Things break due to possibly billions of different > configurations of > hardware, software and you can't expect software programmers to > be perfect." > > The crap that happened for the last 2 days had not a thing to do with > hardware. Neither have any of the issues with pyromania. > Valve didn't take the time to boot up a single server and test > their changes > and instead decided to rollout a completely non-functional > update to close > to 5000 severs. > > I don't expect them to predict every little issue but a bare > minimum would > to be launch a few test servers in a lab environment with a few > differentconfigurations and see what happens. > It should be the bare minimum standard and it is blatantly > obvious is was > not met. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Formologic23" <[email protected]> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:13:24 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > No offense, but if many of you are so by a company's "product", > why do you > keep using it? If you're not happy with the way in which said > company does > business or their practices their business, then don't use their > services or > product. It's that simple. If you make money off of your > community marketing > such an allegedly crappy product, then you should look at other > businessalternatives. It's that simple. Things break due to > possibly billions of > different configurations of hardware, software and you can't > expect software > programmers to be perfect. > > This is my opinion. If I get what I feel is crappy service (a > restaurant for > example), I don't return. Ok, maybe it was a bad day. I give it > anothershot. If I have to complain about the same things, they > don't get my > business. If I buy a product and it sucks, I stop buying that > product. Also, > I've stopped selling products that cause me grief as well. This > is such a > simple concept, but many of you come from the generation of "you > owe it to > me". > > Stop filling the boards up with nonsense. I'm tired of filtering > through the > complaints to find solutions. Either produce productive > statements or don't > say anything at all. The squeaky wheel does not get the grease, > it gets > ignored and set aside. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Pettit > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:56 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > Ok, well obviously though that was too late since Friday night > here we are > on the third update and I am having to explain to my community > that Valve > doesn't believe in testing first. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kush Mahajani" <[email protected]> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:45:18 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > Pyromania and MvM both came out on Wednesday. > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 19:39, Todd Pettit > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Can I ask why Valve insists on doing major updates on Thursday and > > Friday > nights instead of on a Monday or Tuesday? > > I mean if I rolled out updates leading into the busiest days > in my > workplace I would be fired on the spot. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fletcher Dunn" <[email protected]> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > > <[email protected]>, "Half-Life dedicated > Win32 server > > mailing list ([email protected])" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:43:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > > > Update coming in the next 30 minutes or so. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of doc > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:40 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Full servers, but not? > > > > I feel like a shit for laughing at this one, haha. > > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Essay Tew Phaun > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Since so many communities abuse fake clients/counts Valve > felt it was > >> best to allow all communities to do it ;) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives,please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives,please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives,please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 7395 (20120817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 7395 (20120817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 7395 (20120817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 7395 (20120817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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