"You seemed to have missed the point Matthias, I have genuine difficulty
that an individual such as yourself would be so truly bothered by a
short video in the MOTD played when you first join a server."
It's so great that you know me.
Yes, I get bothered by each and every ad I hear. I have never heard a
quiet ad (or to be honest, one with regular speaking voice), anywhere on
the web. It's part of advertisement culture that they're so loud. People
got accustomed to this because during tv breaks they would usually go to
the kitchen or the bathroom (which is why they are so loud in the first
place), and it became second nature. (Luckily there are restrictions in
Germany for the volume of a tv ad) You can't cancel them once they play,
and worst, they usually replay again. Not when you first connect. Not on
map change, but every round.
I did the experiment I mentioned earlier. I had a script join a list of
non-valve servers one after the other. I left the speakers on. It wasn't
fun. I get why people who used the server browser got a bad impression
of community servers. Not only because of P2W and faking player counts.
It is one of the things that led to quickplay being the preferred method
to find a game.
It also doesn't help that the motd option is buried in the advanced
options. And I also think it doesn't clearly associate this with the
functionality of ads. Good luck to the average joe making that
connection and finding that option (keep in mind how much effort the
average player can put into this, if you do anything related to UIs you
know), so he can pick a server in the browser. We know how it ended, he
went extinct. Or evolution grabbed him by the balls and dragged him to
the current QP. (Keep this in mind for the previous paragraph)
On 19.12.2015 04:14, Cats From Above wrote:
You seemed to have missed the point Matthias, I have genuine
difficulty that an individual such as yourself would be so truly
bothered by a short video in the MOTD played when you first join a
server. Now don’t get me wrong, I do agree there are some mildly
agitating ways to implement adverts and these ways shouldn’t be
allowed. I personally would take exception to A) Having to wait a
noticeable period of time before joining a team. B) Being unable to
stop the advert. C) Being penalised for having HTML MOTDs disabled D)
Having adverts played after I joined a team for the first time. (Ergo,
on death, round win, timer etc.)
However, I would argue that those evils are a secondary problem with
server providers implementing adverts in a nefarious way as opposed to
existence of adverts themselves. Whilst these implementations may
coincide with the existence of adverts on some servers, I’m skeptical
about the insinuation that all server operators implement adverts in
these ways as I know many do not.
And I would further argue that banishing video MOTDs is not part of
the union of getting servers back into the default Quickplay pool as
for again, the current status quo is such that HTML adverts are not an
issue in terms of Quickplay and Valve coded a solution which prevents
the MOTD being reopened by a server for Quickplay connects. If you
wish to change that, perhaps you could start your own discussion,
instead of flagrantly derailing this discussion about the default
Quickplay pools into your own personal vendetta against advertising. I
for one do not intend to continue discussing side issues such as this
in the given context of getting servers back into the default
Quickplay pool and would implore you to do the same. Thanks.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well, ads are part of the union, if you like it or not. Not saying
those people can go to hell (right now), but transparency is why
quickplay exists and lack of transparency is why community
gameplay is excluded. I've heard a lot of people saying I can go
screw myself because the players can choose if they want to join
their server and consume ads or not. (On this very list) Well, let
them.
But yes, current quickplay restrictions are also about popups and
motd abusing as you can read in the article. So yeah, if your motd
would be so loud it would physically hurt my ears, get it fixed.
lol (Or these caffeine ads with the shock moments, but on roids)
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