Maybe it's because you lumped fake clients in with "begging for money and trying to deceive new players with server plugins." Or maybe it's because I can voice my opinion on server delisting and shitty server admins just like you can.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:08 PM, coffee problem <[email protected]> wrote: > I guess you misunderstood the point of this thread. The argument is against > allowing servers to run plugins that misreport bots as normal players, take > players names and images upon them disconnecting to use as a bot. This is > the issue. I'm not saying all plugins or custom games. > > Amazing how people read what they want to read. > > CP > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM, msleeper <[email protected]>wrote: > >> It is crying, though. Server ops are free to run their servers how >> they please, even if you don't like it yourself. Running servers that >> promote donations or give certain players enhanced stats is just as >> valid as servers running, say, Prop Hunt or Dodgeball or any other >> drastically gameplay altering changes. The problem with fake clients >> and redirects is that it is negatively affecting the player experience >> outside of the game; joining a server that is being advertised as one >> thing (being full) when in fact it's something else (actually empty, >> or redirecting to a different empty server) is leaps and bounds >> difference than running gameplay changing plugins. >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:31 PM, coffee problem <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > These are multiple issues. Please don't try to wrap it into one. The >> > problem in particular with the ranking system, if you trick a few newbies >> > into thinking they are playing with 23 other people for five minutes, >> > there's no negative impact on their server's score. Valve knows who is >> > running these plugins and isn't doing anything about it. They are just >> > playing ignorant on the matter, at least, until something happens that >> > forces them to address it. >> > >> > Please grow up and stop calling it "crying" for wanting Valve to take >> > action for a clean community. I'm just expressing concerns. This isn't >> Halo. >> > >> > CP >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM, msleeper <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Fake clients is one thing, and Valve has taken a stance against it >> >> with the server score/delisting. The problem here is that this method >> >> is not valid with these communities in particular; they're too "well >> >> known" to be negatively affected by the scoring/delisting mechanism. >> >> Valve needs to take manual action, and they seem ambivalent at best >> >> regarding the issue. Doesn't matter what server ops are doing as long >> >> as your customers have somewhere to play, right boys? >> >> >> >> But as for "begging for money" or "selling super powers": cry more. >> >> It's not deceiving players, and if players don't like it then they'll >> >> leave the server. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Emil Larsson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Indeed, I hate those fakeplayers servers as anyone else, but I think >> it's >> >> > better to educate the average user why and how to report those >> servers. >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM, ics <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Let the system run couple more weeks. Players will use the report >> tool >> >> if >> >> >> they are aware of it. As a server admin, be very carefull about >> >> reporting >> >> >> other servers. It might kick you in the face, unless you personally >> >> play on >> >> >> those other servers and see that they are bad. >> >> >> >> >> >> -ics >> >> >> >> >> >> 1.11.2011 20:48, coffee problem kirjoitti: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Saul, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I have logged in to report as many as I've had the energy to do >> since >> >> the >> >> >>> reporting feature was implemented. They are still up and running, >> also >> >> of >> >> >>> note: they are still on the 'play now' list even though there are >> >> multiple >> >> >>> reasons they shouldn't be. The ones I speak of have been de-listed >> >> from >> >> >>> ranking sites for well over a year, so it is detectable and >> well-known >> >> who >> >> >>> these admins are. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Valve is just sitting on their hands with this garbage. They've had >> a >> >> >>> number of reports brought against servers regarding the Halloween >> >> event, >> >> >>> and none of these have had any action taken. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks, >> >> >>> CP >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Saul Rennison<saul.rennison@gmail. >> >> **com<[email protected]> >> >> >>> >wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This is why they implemented server blacklisting. Report the >> server, >> >> it >> >> >>>> will be delisted. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Kind regards, >> >> >>>> *Saul Rennison* >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On 1 November 2011 18:39, coffee problem<spoofedpacket@gmail. >> **com< >> >> [email protected]>> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> So, this has been brought to light several times in the past and >> >> Valve >> >> >>>>> ignores anyone's request for even a stance on the matter. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> You've got about five large "communities" built up on false stats, >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> begging >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> for money and trying to deceive new players with server plugins. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> When is Valve going to take a stance or do something about this? >> >> What's >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> it >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> going to take to get someone in the company to grow a pair and say >> >> >>>>> something? 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