I'll make sure to address you only one sentence at a time, since multiple ones seem to confuse you. :)
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM, msleeper <mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com>wrote: > Maybe it's because you lumped fake clients in with "begging for money > and trying to deceive new players with server plugins." Or maybe it's > because I can voice my opinion on server delisting and shitty server > admins just like you can. > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:08 PM, coffee problem <spoofedpac...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I guess you misunderstood the point of this thread. The argument is > against > > allowing servers to run plugins that misreport bots as normal players, > take > > players names and images upon them disconnecting to use as a bot. This is > > the issue. I'm not saying all plugins or custom games. > > > > Amazing how people read what they want to read. > > > > CP > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM, msleeper <mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com > >wrote: > > > >> It is crying, though. Server ops are free to run their servers how > >> they please, even if you don't like it yourself. Running servers that > >> promote donations or give certain players enhanced stats is just as > >> valid as servers running, say, Prop Hunt or Dodgeball or any other > >> drastically gameplay altering changes. The problem with fake clients > >> and redirects is that it is negatively affecting the player experience > >> outside of the game; joining a server that is being advertised as one > >> thing (being full) when in fact it's something else (actually empty, > >> or redirecting to a different empty server) is leaps and bounds > >> difference than running gameplay changing plugins. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:31 PM, coffee problem <spoofedpac...@gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >> > These are multiple issues. Please don't try to wrap it into one. The > >> > problem in particular with the ranking system, if you trick a few > newbies > >> > into thinking they are playing with 23 other people for five minutes, > >> > there's no negative impact on their server's score. Valve knows who is > >> > running these plugins and isn't doing anything about it. They are just > >> > playing ignorant on the matter, at least, until something happens that > >> > forces them to address it. > >> > > >> > Please grow up and stop calling it "crying" for wanting Valve to take > >> > action for a clean community. I'm just expressing concerns. This isn't > >> Halo. > >> > > >> > CP > >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM, msleeper < > mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> Fake clients is one thing, and Valve has taken a stance against it > >> >> with the server score/delisting. The problem here is that this method > >> >> is not valid with these communities in particular; they're too "well > >> >> known" to be negatively affected by the scoring/delisting mechanism. > >> >> Valve needs to take manual action, and they seem ambivalent at best > >> >> regarding the issue. Doesn't matter what server ops are doing as long > >> >> as your customers have somewhere to play, right boys? > >> >> > >> >> But as for "begging for money" or "selling super powers": cry more. > >> >> It's not deceiving players, and if players don't like it then they'll > >> >> leave the server. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Emil Larsson <ail...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > Indeed, I hate those fakeplayers servers as anyone else, but I > think > >> it's > >> >> > better to educate the average user why and how to report those > >> servers. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Let the system run couple more weeks. Players will use the report > >> tool > >> >> if > >> >> >> they are aware of it. As a server admin, be very carefull about > >> >> reporting > >> >> >> other servers. It might kick you in the face, unless you > personally > >> >> play on > >> >> >> those other servers and see that they are bad. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -ics > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 1.11.2011 20:48, coffee problem kirjoitti: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Saul, > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I have logged in to report as many as I've had the energy to do > >> since > >> >> the > >> >> >>> reporting feature was implemented. They are still up and running, > >> also > >> >> of > >> >> >>> note: they are still on the 'play now' list even though there are > >> >> multiple > >> >> >>> reasons they shouldn't be. The ones I speak of have been > de-listed > >> >> from > >> >> >>> ranking sites for well over a year, so it is detectable and > >> well-known > >> >> who > >> >> >>> these admins are. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Valve is just sitting on their hands with this garbage. They've > had > >> a > >> >> >>> number of reports brought against servers regarding the Halloween > >> >> event, > >> >> >>> and none of these have had any action taken. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Thanks, > >> >> >>> CP > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Saul > Rennison<saul.rennison@gmail. > >> >> **com<saul.renni...@gmail.com> > >> >> >>> >wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> This is why they implemented server blacklisting. Report the > >> server, > >> >> it > >> >> >>>> will be delisted. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Kind regards, > >> >> >>>> *Saul Rennison* > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On 1 November 2011 18:39, coffee problem<spoofedpacket@gmail. > >> **com< > >> >> spoofedpac...@gmail.com>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> So, this has been brought to light several times in the past > and > >> >> Valve > >> >> >>>>> ignores anyone's request for even a stance on the matter. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> You've got about five large "communities" built up on false > stats, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> begging > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> for money and trying to deceive new players with server > plugins. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> When is Valve going to take a stance or do something about > this? > >> >> What's > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> it > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> going to take to get someone in the company to grow a pair and > say > >> >> >>>>> something? Is it all about the short-term of hats and keys > while > >> >> >>>>> letting > >> >> >>>>> the community erode? > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> CP > >> >> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> >> archives, > >> >> >>>>> please visit: > >> >> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> >> >>>> please visit: > >> >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> >> >>> please visit: > >> >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> >> >> please visit: > >> >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> >> please visit: > >> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> >> please visit: > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
