Well congratulations for being a special little snowflake? Now shut up if
you are not going to say anything useful in a thread related to community
server issues, in a mailing list specifically made for community server
issues, instead of telling us to go to a forum where no Valve employee ever
reads.

I am willing to bet most of us here are/were part of communities that did
not host on lowest quality $5 servers. We remember a time when community
servers were filled for 12 hours a day, every single day of the week.

It seems like you only started your server in the past year or so since you
don't know that countless solutions have already been offered and that
community servers used to have many more players. There's nothing left to
do but to call out Valve on their inaction and total alienation and
betrayal to their community server players/customers.

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Aaron Thompson <[email protected]> wrote:

> And i pay $5/month for my server so im not crying so much. I can afford to
> be patient.
> On May 10, 2016 12:51 AM, "Aaron Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Never played quickplay, don't ever intend to, my only gripe was after
> > free2play and it lasted like 5 minutes. I can honestly say that I have no
> > way to contribute to this arguement. However, I CAN say that instead of a
> > bitchfest...why dont you all find a solution that is viable and present
> it
> > to them. If that wad done already, again I do not know anything in
> regards
> > to this situation. They have continuously updated the game with new and
> > user created content, nerfing and otherwise and the only problem I have
> is
> > with a certain population of players who ruin the game for everyone
> > else...and NO I dont just mean LMAObox users. If anyone killed TF2 it is
> a
> > percentage of the people who choose to spend their time there making the
> > game unplayable.
> > On May 10, 2016 12:05 AM, "Eli Witt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Awww, are you ou mad that people who've invested countless hundreds of
> >> hours and personal dollars into running Valve's game for them have a
> >> legitimate complaint against valve for acting like a bunch of ignorant
> >> douchebags?
> >>
> >> You can feel free to unsubscrive too.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Aaron Thompson <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Can you all go rant somewhere else. Some of us don't have your
> problems.
> >> > They have forums for a reason please use them or email them directly.
> >> > On May 9, 2016 8:14 PM, "Robert Paulson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Why could you not blame Valve? They are 100% fully to blame for the
> >> > current
> >> > > state of community servers. I am not sure why you think they had no
> >> > choice
> >> > > and no one should complain.
> >> > >
> >> > > You cannot expect every single random person to follow the rules.
> Did
> >> > Valve
> >> > > close free2play because servers are being plagued with hackers using
> >> > > lmaobox and making a new account in 20 seconds? No? Then why are all
> >> > > community servers being punished for this identical situation?
> >> > >
> >> > > The TF2 team was extremely lazy in handling this matter, not even
> >> willing
> >> > > to spend 1 hour a month cleaning up reported servers, and decided to
> >> > "fix"
> >> > > the issue by essentially giving up. All they had to do was ban a few
> >> > > servers every month taking up less than an hour of their time. Even
> if
> >> > they
> >> > > cannot get rid of cheating 100%, it would still be better than what
> >> they
> >> > > are doing now.
> >> > >
> >> > > All we can hope for now is that Overwatch kills TF2 to show them a
> >> > lesson,
> >> > > but they would probably just keep trying to emulate Overwatch as
> much
> >> as
> >> > > possible rather than reversing all the decisions they made to kill
> >> > > community servers.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Erik-jan Riemers <
> [email protected]>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > TF2 had its best time... it would have been longer if not for
> this.
> >> As
> >> > a
> >> > > > community owner for 8+ years i have always tried to do good by the
> >> > rules
> >> > > of
> >> > > > Valve. Only to find tons of servers that don't obey those rules.
> >> Valve
> >> > > > tried its best to counter them but ended up hurting the
> communities
> >> > that
> >> > > > didn't do anything wrong. I can't blame Valve, but the experience
> is
> >> > bad
> >> > > > these days, we used to have a "all maps" server where high
> division
> >> > > players
> >> > > > would come and play, making it interesting for people with skills.
> >> > Only a
> >> > > > few 'custom' servers are still alive these days, but haunted by
> >> > cheaters
> >> > > > and people that just want to troll and mic spam. No admins are
> there
> >> > > > anymore because nobody wants to babysit a server full of kids.
> >> Slowly
> >> > > > closing my TF2 servers. (It's been fun while it lasted)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regardless, thanks Valve for the times we did have a great
> >> experience
> >> > for
> >> > > > community's. Perhaps one day we might see a TF3.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2016-05-05 0:48 GMT+02:00 Vivien FRENOT-MATHEVON <
> >> > > [email protected]
> >> > > > >:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Still waiting for a fix. :(
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Le jeu. 5 mai 2016 00:11, Andreas Willinger <[email protected]> a
> >> écrit :
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > So, Valve, maybe you should update your Wiki and add
> >> "temporary" as
> >> > > > > > "forever" (
> https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Two years, various suggestions have been posted, like
> improving
> >> the
> >> > > UI,
> >> > > > > > some
> >> > > > > > sort of verified server system and others, yet not even a
> single
> >> > word
> >> > > > > from
> >> > > > > > Valve.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Can we finally get some sort of response or will we wait until
> >> TF2
> >> > is
> >> > > > > > entirely full of braindead, 12 year-old weekend warriors.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Original text for anyone interested:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to
> >> Valve
> >> > > > > > servers.
> >> > > > > > However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any
> >> of
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > supported modifications, then they must land on a community
> >> server,
> >> > > > since
> >> > > > > > Valve servers do not run with these settings."
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Posted by Fletcher Dunn on February 8, 2014.
> >> > > > > >
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