I had a beautiful old Knopf double w/ stopping valve renovated by Ron Pinc in Chicago. He did a terrific job. It is now a fantastic horn with the legendary warm Knopf tone. Ron's leadpipe worked out any pitch issues and he expertly reconditioned the valves and dealt with any thin spots from age and use. He can be contacted at: [email protected]
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On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the > entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Knopf compensating double ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Knopf compensating double ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Knopf compensating double (Milton Kicklighter) > 4. Re: Knopf compensating double (Hans Pizka) > 5. Re: Knopf compensating double (Jerry Houston) > 6. Re: Knopf compensating double (Hans Pizka) > 7. Re: Knopf compensating double (Jerry Houston) > 8. Re: Knopf compensating double ([email protected]) > 9. Re: Knopf compensating double (Hans Pizka) > 10. Re: Knopf compensating double ([email protected]) > 11. Re: Knopf compensating double (Richard V. West) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:03:04 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I have questions concerning four topics, but first the set-up story... I > recently got my hands on an older Knopf compensating double horn. I had some > minor repairs done and, after adjusting the first valve, it felt a bit stuffy > but otherwise played very well. I've played some pretty nice instruments that > can be described as 'forgiving' or 'obedient,' but this Knopf actually seems > 'willing' to play what I want. Creepy, huh? I'm anxious to see how it plays > once it's issues are resolved. > > Corrosion - I had the horn professionally cleaned. The inside was filthy. The > slides fit well and there was/is no evidence of corrosion on the outside of > the horn. Is corrosion on the inside of the instrument a valid concern? If > so, how can this be checked and, if necessary, remedied? > > Valve work - During the cleaning it was discovered that the first valve had > been replaced with one that doesn't fit correctly. I contacted Christian > Knopf about getting a valve for it. He has been very patient with me and my > poor German generated by a web-based translation of iffy English. He > understandably wants me to send him the horn so he can correctly install the > right valve. My gut feeling is to ship the horn to him for this work. Does it > make sense to send the instrument to Germany to have the work done by Herr > Knopf? Can I have the horn properly repaired stateside, if so by whom? > > Overseas Shipping - If I send the horn to Herr Knopf, obviously I have to > ship it to Germany. From what I've gathered, shipping the horn overseas is > quite costly in time, money or both. The people at one shipping office raised > concerns about being taxed on the value of the horn getting it through > customs. Could someone with transatlantic shipping experience offer some > tips, please? > > Also, if all else works out, I'm considering having the bell cut. I prefer a > cut bell for ease of travel. The bell of this horn is so light and resonant > that I fear a ring might dampen it. I asked Herr Knopf and he said the bronze > ring he uses would not change the character of the horn. I've had screw bells > on my Paxman 20L and Yamaha 667V. The Yamaha ring seems to be by far the > lighter of the two. What are the differences in the rings available? Would > one be more appropriate than another for this horn? > > > > Doug > > Life is a terminal disease - live with it. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:40:46 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Doug, > > The work you need to have done can be done here > in the states by skilled craftsmen at probably a > fraction of the price considering shipping overseas > twice, insurance and, possibly, customs problems. > Also, there is always a chance the horn will be > damaged or lost during all of the handling necessary > to get it to Germany and back. > > Consider the problems if the work is not satisfactory. > > If you're getting the bell cut, don't forget to add the > cost of a new case. > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > 913-341-7694 (H) > 913-226-6537 (C) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Milton Kicklighter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Chuck Ward near Cleveland Ohio does wonderful valve work.? And Ted Woehr.... > works for Volkwein music in Pittsburgh.... is an artist when it comes to > making adjustments to horns.? I know of many professionals that send their > horns to him on a regular basis.? The entire horn section of the Buffalo Phil > uses him to make adjustments to their horns a couple of times a year.? Then > there is Ken Pope in Boston.? He is another master.? > > I would... and have... used Chuck for valve work, and have my horn "tweaked" > at least twice a year by Ted.? I have NEVER seen a horn that Ted did not make > better.? And that includes new horns.? Our third horn bought a new Schmidt > triple about four years ago, and even though it was a very good horn, Ted > made it even better.? > > Milton > Milton Kicklighter > 4th horn Buffalo Phil > now retired > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 5:03:04 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > > > > I have questions concerning four topics, but first the set-up story... I > recently got my hands on an older Knopf compensating double horn. I had some > minor repairs done and, after adjusting the first valve, it felt a bit stuffy > but otherwise played very well. I've played some pretty nice instruments that > can be described as 'forgiving' or 'obedient,' but this Knopf actually seems > 'willing' to play what I want. Creepy, huh? I'm anxious to see how it plays > once it's issues are resolved. > > Corrosion - I had the horn professionally cleaned. The inside was filthy. The > slides fit well and there was/is no evidence of corrosion on the outside of > the horn. Is corrosion on the inside of the instrument a valid concern? If > so, how can this be checked and, if necessary, remedied? > > Valve work - During the cleaning it was discovered that the first valve had > been replaced with one that doesn't fit correctly. I contacted Christian > Knopf about getting a valve for it. He has been very patient with me and my > poor German generated by a web-based translation of iffy English. He > understandably wants me to send him the horn so he can correctly install the > right valve. My gut feeling is to ship the horn to him for this work. Does it > make sense to send the instrument to Germany to have the work done by Herr > Knopf? Can I have the horn properly repaired stateside, if so by whom? > > Overseas Shipping - If I send the horn to Herr Knopf, obviously I have to > ship it to Germany. From what I've gathered, shipping the horn overseas is > quite costly in time, money or both. The people at one shipping office raised > concerns about being taxed on the value of the horn getting it through > customs. Could someone with transatlantic shipping experience offer some > tips, please? > > Also, if all else works out, I'm considering having the bell cut. I prefer a > cut bell for ease of travel. The bell of this horn is so light and resonant > that I fear a ring might dampen it. I asked Herr Knopf and he said the bronze > ring he uses would not change the character of the horn. I've had screw bells > on my Paxman 20L and Yamaha 667V. The Yamaha ring seems to be by far the > lighter of the two. What are the differences in the rings available? Would > one be more appropriate than another for this horn? > > > > Doug > > Life is a terminal disease - live with it. > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:24:03 +0100 > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Doug, > > get in touch with Ken Pope (617) 522-0532 [email protected] > > He is experienced & a long time friend of main > Here is his adress: Pope Instrument repair, 80 Wenham Street, Jamaica Plain, > MA.2130 > > He can measure the missing valve & order a new one from Knopf. He also can > make the bell cut operation. > > The bell ring will not change the tone colour, but keep the louder dynamics > in a way, that the bell itself will not start to "cry" or sound breaks away. > > Never do this logistic nightmare sending a horn to Germany for repair, never. > Our custom people surpass the US custom folks by far in their stupidity. > > Good luck > > Regards > > Hans > ############################################################################ > Am 26.03.2010 um 22:03 schrieb [email protected]: > >> >> >> I have questions concerning four topics, but first the set-up story... I >> recently got my hands on an older Knopf compensating double horn. I had some >> minor repairs done and, after adjusting the first valve, it felt a bit >> stuffy but otherwise played very well. I've played some pretty nice >> instruments that can be described as 'forgiving' or 'obedient,' but this >> Knopf actually seems 'willing' to play what I want. Creepy, huh? I'm anxious >> to see how it plays once it's issues are resolved. >> >> Corrosion - I had the horn professionally cleaned. The inside was filthy. >> The slides fit well and there was/is no evidence of corrosion on the outside >> of the horn. Is corrosion on the inside of the instrument a valid concern? >> If so, how can this be checked and, if necessary, remedied? >> >> Valve work - During the cleaning it was discovered that the first valve had >> been replaced with one that doesn't fit correctly. I contacted Christian >> Knopf about getting a valve for it. He has been very patient with me and my >> poor German generated by a web-based translation of iffy English. He >> understandably wants me to send him the horn so he can correctly install the >> right valve. My gut feeling is to ship the horn to him for this work. Does >> it make sense to send the instrument to Germany to have the work done by >> Herr Knopf? Can I have the horn properly repaired stateside, if so by whom? >> >> Overseas Shipping - If I send the horn to Herr Knopf, obviously I have to >> ship it to Germany. From what I've gathered, shipping the horn overseas is >> quite costly in time, money or both. The people at one shipping office >> raised concerns about being taxed on the value of the horn getting it >> through customs. Could someone with transatlantic shipping experience offer >> some tips, please? >> >> Also, if all else works out, I'm considering having the bell cut. I prefer a >> cut bell for ease of travel. The bell of this horn is so light and resonant >> that I fear a ring might dampen it. I asked Herr Knopf and he said the >> bronze ring he uses would not change the character of the horn. I've had >> screw bells on my Paxman 20L and Yamaha 667V. The Yamaha ring seems to be by >> far the lighter of the two. What are the differences in the rings available? >> Would one be more appropriate than another for this horn? >> >> >> >> Doug >> >> Life is a terminal disease - live with it. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:55:26 -0700 > From: Jerry Houston <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/26/2010 3:40 PM, [email protected] wrote >> If you're getting the bell cut, don't forget to add the >> cost of a new case. >> > > The ring would prevent its fitting into the original case? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:20:58 +0100 > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Do we get the bell cut for sound reason ? Definitely no. > But for easier transport. > If one gets the bell cut, he/she does not want to fit the horn into > the old case, > but into a new compact case or gig bag or whatever. > Logic ...... > ########################################################## > > Am 27.03.2010 um 11:55 schrieb Jerry Houston: > >> On 3/26/2010 3:40 PM, [email protected] wrote >>> If you're getting the bell cut, don't forget to add the >>> cost of a new case. >>> >> >> The ring would prevent its fitting into the original case? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:54 -0700 > From: Jerry Houston <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/27/2010 4:20 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: >> Do we get the bell cut for sound reason ? Definitely no. >> But for easier transport. >> If one gets the bell cut, he/she does not want to fit the horn into >> the old case, >> but into a new compact case or gig bag or whatever. >> > > I was kidding, Hans, although perhaps not very well. It's quite early here. > > I have heard, however, that some thin bells are improved by stiffening > them with a ring. Is there really never a "sound" reason for cutting a > bell? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:41:58 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 3/27/2010 5:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The ring would prevent its fitting into the original case? > > > > LOL ..... however, I carry cut bell horns in fixed bell > cases locally, sometimes, just to keep from fooling with > the time consuming screw/unscrew process. > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > 913-341-7694 (H) > 913-226-6537 (C) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:46:27 +0100 > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > But thin bells tend to wrap or fold if the screw ring stucks sometimes. > If modern bells are not made from the mushroom-shaped flat material, > wound together > & widened a bit - later - they are made from a flat disk mostly & > soldered > to the main part of the horn, no matter if cut later or not. AND, the > neck of the bell > is thin therefore & most sensitive against "screw abuse". > > If the bell is "clapped on " with the flat hand, it must not produce a > ringing tone, but > a nearly dead noise. So no interferences with the sound will occur. > > ################################################################### > Am 27.03.2010 um 12:50 schrieb Jerry Houston: > >> On 3/27/2010 4:20 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: >>> Do we get the bell cut for sound reason ? Definitely no. >>> But for easier transport. >>> If one gets the bell cut, he/she does not want to fit the horn into >>> the old case, >>> but into a new compact case or gig bag or whatever. >>> >> >> I was kidding, Hans, although perhaps not very well. It's quite >> early here. >> >> I have heard, however, that some thin bells are improved by stiffening >> them with a ring. Is there really never a "sound" reason for >> cutting a >> bell? >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:10:10 +0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <827439180-1269695397-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16753601...@bda105.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Jerry and Hans, > > I do the same thing, carry my Alex in a gig bag when I want to get out of > the theatre in a hurry. Most of the time I use my Marcus Bonna case. > > Happy Spring, everyone. > > Walt Lewis > ------Original Message------ > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > ReplyTo: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > Sent: Mar 27, 2010 8:41 AM > > > > In a message dated 3/27/2010 5:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The ring would prevent its fitting into the original case? > > > > LOL ..... however, I carry cut bell horns in fixed bell > cases locally, sometimes, just to keep from fooling with > the time consuming screw/unscrew process. > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > 913-341-7694 (H) > 913-226-6537 (C) > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:33:25 -0700 > From: "Richard V. West" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Knopf compensating double > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Doug: > > Hans took the words from my mouth. Sending the horn to Germany is to > subject it to all kinds of hazards both from the shipping gorillas and > the beauracratic shuffling on both sides of the pond. Christian Knopf > can probably provide the right valve if contacted by one of the > excellent repair people already mentioned on the list. When I > interviewed Christian for the article I wrote in the Horn Call in 2004, > he mentioned that his valve assemblies were outsourced to one of the > major valve makers in Germany (a common practice since valve assemblies > require such precise engineering and consistent workmanship). > > Could you send me a picture of your Knopf off-list? I'd like to compare > it with the images I have of Knopf compensating models, which are > relatively rare compared to the more popular Knopf/Geyer wrap full doubles. > > Good luck, > > Richard in Seattle > > > On 3/26/2010 11:24 PM, Hans Pizka wrote: >> Hello Doug, >> >> get in touch with Ken Pope (617) 522-0532 [email protected] >> >> He is experienced& a long time friend of main >> Here is his adress: Pope Instrument repair, 80 Wenham Street, Jamaica Plain, >> MA.2130 >> >> He can measure the missing valve& order a new one from Knopf. He also can >> make the bell cut operation. >> >> The bell ring will not change the tone colour, but keep the louder dynamics >> in a way, that the bell itself will not start to "cry" or sound breaks away. >> >> Never do this logistic nightmare sending a horn to Germany for repair, >> never. Our custom people surpass the US custom folks by far in their >> stupidity. >> >> Good luck >> >> Regards >> >> Hans >> ############################################################################ >> Am 26.03.2010 um 22:03 schrieb [email protected]: >> >> >>> >>> I have questions concerning four topics, but first the set-up story... I >>> recently got my hands on an older Knopf compensating double horn. I had >>> some minor repairs done and, after adjusting the first valve, it felt a bit >>> stuffy but otherwise played very well. I've played some pretty nice >>> instruments that can be described as 'forgiving' or 'obedient,' but this >>> Knopf actually seems 'willing' to play what I want. Creepy, huh? I'm >>> anxious to see how it plays once it's issues are resolved. >>> >>> Corrosion - I had the horn professionally cleaned. The inside was filthy. >>> The slides fit well and there was/is no evidence of corrosion on the >>> outside of the horn. Is corrosion on the inside of the instrument a valid >>> concern? If so, how can this be checked and, if necessary, remedied? >>> >>> Valve work - During the cleaning it was discovered that the first valve had >>> been replaced with one that doesn't fit correctly. I contacted Christian >>> Knopf about getting a valve for it. He has been very patient with me and my >>> poor German generated by a web-based translation of iffy English. He >>> understandably wants me to send him the horn so he can correctly install >>> the right valve. My gut feeling is to ship the horn to him for this work. >>> Does it make sense to send the instrument to Germany to have the work done >>> by Herr Knopf? Can I have the horn properly repaired stateside, if so by >>> whom? >>> >>> Overseas Shipping - If I send the horn to Herr Knopf, obviously I have to >>> ship it to Germany. From what I've gathered, shipping the horn overseas is >>> quite costly in time, money or both. The people at one shipping office >>> raised concerns about being taxed on the value of the horn getting it >>> through customs. Could someone with transatlantic shipping experience offer >>> some tips, please? >>> >>> Also, if all else works out, I'm considering having the bell cut. I prefer >>> a cut bell for ease of travel. The bell of this horn is so light and >>> resonant that I fear a ring might dampen it. I asked Herr Knopf and he said >>> the bronze ring he uses would not change the character of the horn. I've >>> had screw bells on my Paxman 20L and Yamaha 667V. The Yamaha ring seems to >>> be by far the lighter of the two. What are the differences in the rings >>> available? Would one be more appropriate than another for this horn? >>> >>> >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> Life is a terminal disease - live with it. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2772 - Release Date: 03/26/10 >> 12:33:00 >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/horn > > End of Horn Digest, Vol 87, Issue 21 > ************************************ > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
