I for one have a strange sensation with the "melody" samples you and
William provided. It reminds me the eerie disattached sensation you
sometimes have picking up stuff with a numb hand.

I listen to it, can hear all the pitches (surprising, because I know
my ears are in a bad state), but it's almost as if the musical part of
my brain switches off.
There is no instant recognition of the melody, but only an analytical
deduction afterwards. I cannot tell if it was out of tune or not. It
feels out of tune, but again the analytical half of my brain tells me
it probably is in tune. I havent tried yet, but I think I'd have a lot
of trouble reproducing the right pitches in a "normal" octave.

Of course, if you do this with complex waveforms, you will start to
get difference tones below 5000 Hz, and the whole point of the
experiment was to see wether people can hear *melody* when all the
aural information is above 5000 Hz.




On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 06:18, Marc Gelfo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I don't know if the
>> Mahler 1 contingent was joking, but I guessed "Mary Had a Little Lamb".
>> Maybe I'm just not as sophisticated as you guys.  :-)
>
> Is this a joke? Hard to tell on the internet  :) It was the Frère Jacque (yes 
> in minor) melody from the slow movement of Mahler 1.  The contour and rhythm 
> give it away but listening more closely one can discern the actual pitches.
>
> Here's some more audio to see what you can or cannot perceive (older members 
> have your children listen to this).
>
> Here is a famous melody in 3 different octaves, with one wrong note.
> 1) What is the melody? Major or minor?
> 2) Which note is the wrong note?
>
> Listen to each file and answer the questions before moving on to the lower 
> octave.
>
> http://gelfo.net/highfreq/1_melody10k.wav
> http://gelfo.net/highfreq/2_melody5k.wav
> http://gelfo.net/highfreq/3_melody2k.wav
>
> I've done it all in sine waves, and honestly we aren't too great at 
> extracting information from pure sine waves in any octave.  It would be a 
> much more interesting experiment to listen to complex waveforms, but there 
> are all kinds of issues with that that I don't want to get into.
>
> Interesting thread...
>
> Cheers,
> Marc
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