Unfortunately there will constantly be new crises. So we'll always be 'in the middle of a crisis'.
Polyglot 2016-10-13 8:29 GMT+02:00 Robert Banick <[email protected]>: > Hi all, > > HOT is clearly one of, if not the, most successful crowdsourcing projects > for humanitarian response in the world. Success means not just contributors > but also use of the data by actual humanitarians. It’s unsurprising we’re > encountering some limits to the approach and need to evolve it. > > I like Phil and John’s automated approach to these things. I think the > Tasking Manager has proven that the best way to manage these interactions > is through an automated platform. My only concern is making what’s > currently straightforward overly complex and intimidating for new users. > But that’s a call for good design and introductory materials, not dumbing > down our approach. > > However, it’s the middle of a disaster and clearly not the time for > wholesale changes. I suggest we flag these thoughts for the forthcoming > Tasking Manager redesign and embrace makeshift systems in the meantime. > > Cheers, > Robert > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:31 AM Phil (The Geek) Wyatt < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> >> >> I am a retired long time map user, occasional mapper (in QGIS, Mapinfo) >> and supporter of the OSM mapping project. It seems to me that the issue of >> poor mapping, especially for HOT projects, is coming up on such a regular >> basis that it's time to consider some mandatory training for users before >> they get to map under the HOT task manager. I don't think this would be too >> difficult for most volunteers and it could ensure that at least a certain >> level of competency is attained before being exposed to complex tasks. If >> people know that in the first place then they can make a choice as to >> whether they commence or continue to map. >> >> >> >> I have no idea how this could be accomplished as I know little of the >> linkages between OSM and the HOT Task Manager, but restricting HOT tasks to >> those with some defined training could improve the results. >> >> >> >> Let's say as a minimum you train folks on roads and residential area >> polygons - that might be level 1 (ID Editor) >> >> Level 2 could be after training for buildings, tracks, paths (ID or JOSM) >> >> Level 3 for validation (JOSM) >> >> >> >> In this way HOT tasks simply get assigned at each level and you know you >> have the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could also >> only highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the next level >> training. >> >> >> >> You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a >> higher level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results >> at the desired consistency. >> >> >> >> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> Thin Green Line Supporter <http://www.thingreenline.org.au/>, Volunteer >> Mapper (GISMO) - Red Cross <http://www.redcross.org.au/volunteering.aspx> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Severin Menard [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:34 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve >> >> >> >> The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> >> have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are >> the necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but >> with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29 >> contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account less than >> one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow. >> >> The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we >> have been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes >> where shapes are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the >> main landuse area is self-cutting in various places (see there >> <https://leslibresgeographes.org/jirafeau/f.php?h=26gWjHki&p=1>). >> >> Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake >> 2010. Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have >> improved a lot, it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the >> most part of it: do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map-over-complex-crisis- >> contexts. >> >> I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will >> and that they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. >> Of course their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But >> this is really a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best >> intentions in the world may not fit for it, just because they are not >> experienced yet. >> >> >> >> Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it >> does have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly >> before being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I >> mentioned three sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last >> days on http://taches.francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers who >> joined the job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few >> months of OSM experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven over >> non urgent fields. >> >> If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered >> crisis context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see >> real motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a >> huge, excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat >> data, than to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave >> forever afterwards anyway. >> >> >> >> I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits >> (crappy ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way >> to grow the number of total contributors and the number of total edits >> created through the # of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important >> for the board of HOT US Inc (two current directors have contacted me for >> this purpose) to make communication and raise funds from the figures. But >> what is at stake here is to provide good baseline data for humanitarian >> response, not distorted metrics. >> >> Séverin >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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