Unfortunately there will constantly be new crises. So we'll always be 'in
the middle of a crisis'.

Polyglot

2016-10-13 8:29 GMT+02:00 Robert Banick <rban...@gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> HOT is clearly one of, if not the, most successful crowdsourcing projects
> for humanitarian response in the world. Success means not just contributors
> but also use of the data by actual humanitarians. It’s unsurprising we’re
> encountering some limits to the approach and need to evolve it.
>
> I like Phil and John’s automated approach to these things. I think the
> Tasking Manager has proven that the best way to manage these interactions
> is through an automated platform. My only concern is making what’s
> currently straightforward overly complex and intimidating for new users.
> But that’s a call for good design and introductory materials, not dumbing
> down our approach.
>
> However, it’s the middle of a disaster and clearly not the time for
> wholesale changes. I suggest we flag these thoughts for the forthcoming
> Tasking Manager redesign and embrace makeshift systems in the meantime.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:31 AM Phil (The Geek) Wyatt <
> p...@wyatt-family.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a retired long time map user, occasional mapper (in QGIS, Mapinfo)
>> and supporter of the OSM mapping project. It seems to me that the issue of
>> poor mapping, especially for HOT projects, is coming up on such a regular
>> basis that it's time to consider some mandatory training for users before
>> they get to map under the HOT task manager. I don't think this would be too
>> difficult for most volunteers and it could ensure that at least a certain
>> level of competency is attained before being exposed to complex tasks. If
>> people know that in the first place then they can make a choice as to
>> whether they commence or continue to map.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no idea how this could be accomplished as I know little of the
>> linkages between OSM and the HOT Task Manager, but restricting HOT tasks to
>> those with some defined training could improve the results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's say as a minimum you train folks on roads and residential area
>> polygons - that might be level 1 (ID Editor)
>>
>> Level 2 could be after training for buildings, tracks, paths (ID or JOSM)
>>
>> Level 3 for validation (JOSM)
>>
>>
>>
>> In this way HOT tasks simply get assigned at each level and you know you
>> have the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could also
>> only highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the next level
>> training.
>>
>>
>>
>> You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a
>> higher level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results
>> at the desired consistency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my thoughts as a casual mapper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers - Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Thin Green Line Supporter <http://www.thingreenline.org.au/>, Volunteer
>> Mapper (GISMO) - Red Cross <http://www.redcross.org.au/volunteering.aspx>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Severin Menard [mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:34 AM
>> *To:* hot@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve
>>
>>
>>
>> The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228>
>> have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are
>> the necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but
>> with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29
>> contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account less than
>> one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow.
>>
>> The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we
>> have been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes
>> where shapes are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the
>> main landuse area is self-cutting in various places (see there
>> <https://leslibresgeographes.org/jirafeau/f.php?h=26gWjHki&p=1>).
>>
>> Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake
>> 2010. Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have
>> improved a lot, it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the
>> most part of it: do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map-over-complex-crisis-
>> contexts.
>>
>> I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will
>> and that they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged.
>> Of course their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But
>> this is really a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best
>> intentions in the world may not fit for it, just because they are not
>> experienced yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it
>> does have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly
>> before being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I
>> mentioned three sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last
>> days on http://taches.francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers who
>> joined the job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few
>> months of OSM experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven over
>> non urgent fields.
>>
>> If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered
>> crisis context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see
>> real motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a
>> huge, excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat
>> data, than to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave
>> forever afterwards anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits
>> (crappy ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way
>> to grow the number of total contributors and the number of total edits
>> created through the # of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important
>> for the board of HOT US Inc (two current directors have contacted me for
>> this purpose) to make communication and raise funds from the figures. But
>> what is at stake here is to provide good baseline data for humanitarian
>> response, not distorted metrics.
>>
>> Séverin
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