now we've got overlapping tasks. http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252
where do we go from here? This could/should have been anticipated/prevented. Now we should consider trans-TM indexing, as these and other TM instances are probably here to last. On 24/10/16 10:07, Cristiano Giovando wrote: > Bonjour, > > (s'il vous plaît excuser mon anglais) > > There are three WorldView 3 images available, captured on October 10 > over the Grand'Anse and Sud departments. These have limited cloud > coverage and show very dramatically the impact of Hurricane Matthew in > western Haiti: > > https://beta.openaerialmap.org/#/-74.3994140625,18.521278249360137,10/032210312003?date=month&_k=uvs9ut > > We, at HOT would like to create three tasks to update all baseline > information as shown by those images. I noticed that you guys > currently have a task over the same area which is using Bing as > default imagery source: > > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64 > > In order to coordinate our efforts, I would like you to consider this > project that I just set up and ask you to let me know if you think it > would make sense to publish it first, since it has that more recent > imagery: > > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252 > > Right now it's published with low priority, just for you to be able to > see it. For reference, this is the exact extent: > http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/5cfec955932472ebd1d23a01421a42c5&map=11/18.4698/-74.4193 > > Please let me know what you think, also in terms of instructions. > Happy to discuss or change anything based on everyone's feedback > before publishing it (bumping it up to high priority). > > Also, we will not be doing any damage assessment (as indicated in the > task), so if you guys have any need to do it, feel free to use the TMS > services off of OAM. Here's one to browse the same October 10 image: > http://oam-dynamic-tiler-tmp.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/57fecc6984ae75bb00ec752c/preview/#19/18.57497/-74.38157 > > Looking forward to your feedback. > Thank you, > > Cristiano > > On 24/10/16 11:46, Rod Bera wrote: > Hi Mikel, > >> that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary >> tasking manager. > > to me it's not. > As I understand things, the fact that a task needs to be > endorsed/supported by HOT if it is to appear on tasks.hotosm.org is a > problem. The fact that only co-opted ("trained", "friends") individual > can post a task is a problem too. > > There were discussions on this in the past with people advocating a more > open policy for tasks.hotosm.org. > > This did not happen for some reasons internal to HOT US Inc. > > Then it appeared as a logical consequence that others would set-up > tasking managers fit for their needs. > Related to this is last year's discussion on default logos (TM by > default had a HOT logo), name (HOT tasking manager formerly incorrectly > known as OSM tasking manager). This was settled, more or less. > > The next logical step (I also mentioned it at that time) was what is > happening now: possibly conflicting tasks. Well it is not the case yet: > as as far as I can see there is no overlap between tasks from > tasks.hotosm.org and tasks from taches.francophonelibre.org, but it will > fatally happen at some point. > > To address this I proposed a number of solutions which had not much > success: > -indexing tasking managers and tasks into a reference catalogue, or > -indexing TMs and tasks into catalogueS, possibly one for each TM with > service metadata, and subsequently allow for either cross-harvesting, or > -bottom-up harvesting if there is a truly community-operated reference > catalogue endorsed by everyone. > > > I agree this makes things a bit complicated as it would ideally require > GeoNetwork instances (ideally one for each TM) or something similar. But > the INSPIRE SDI experience in Europe shows it works quite smoothly. > > However I agree it adds-up some complexity where we could avoid it. If > only there was only ONE TM that would be EVERYONE'S TM. > The de facto control of the original TM by HOT with a disputable policy > as to who had a right/privilege to define and post tasks broke up this hope. > > Given this I have no problem with tasks.hotosm.org being administered > with HOT US Inc. rules. Or other TM being administered according to > different policies. We are diverse after all. > > Now, we probably agree that beyond this diversity we have to work > together as a global community. > > To this aim I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find ways of coming > up with the kind of "universal catalogue of tasks" we (OSM) need. > > tasks.hotosm.org #2219 #2229 #2236 #2237 #2248 etc., as well as > taches.francophonelibre.org #35 #40 # 41 #45 #63 #64 #65 #66 #67 etc. > are all pertinent and they all should be primarily viewed as the > contributions from the OSM community instead of the organisations > running the tasking managers. > > Regards, > > Rod > > > > > > On 15/10/16 15:28, Mikel Maron wrote: >> Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course is the >> best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers, >> including in Haiti. >> >> But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary >> tasking manager. >> >> Mikel >> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan >> <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities? >> >> I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially >> in the high priority list and in this case Haiti the local language >> is French which means it is more difficult for the local needs to be >> understood by none francophone outsiders. >> >> There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti >> but there are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen >> them is to work with them. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com >> <javascript:return>> wrote: >> >> Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of >> course going to create conflicts. There's no need at all to >> create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. Simply, >> communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to >> the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up. >> >> Mikel >> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard >> <severin.men...@gmail.com <javascript:return>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti >> mapping. Job #45 >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61> is >> almost done now and we will start mapping the rural areas >> within the hills of département of Grande-Anse, over the >> communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan, Moron, Anse >> d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected >> areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with winds >> over 120 km/h) with job #64 >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64>, continuing >> our systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called >> mornes in Haiti). >> >> We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane >> Ouattara and will have a team of crisis mapping during the >> whole day to show students and people what it is. No >> newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké but >> invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join >> later when experienced enough. >> >> I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination team, >> especially Dale Kunce: >> >> October 8 6:30 PM UTC I communicated about job #39 >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/39> about >> pre-disaster mapping over Jeremie. On October 12, when our >> mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, we figure out >> people are mapping on the area, due to a HOT US job #2228 >> <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> created by Dale >> Kunce. We stopped and quickly detected all the mistakes done >> by very recent mappers. >> >> October 12 11:40 AM UTC I communicated on the hot list >> including regarding job #45 >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45> about >> mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOT US job >> #2224 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2224> covering an >> area slightly smaller inside the one I made was created by >> Dale Kunce... As if there was no other places to be mapped >> in Haiti... >> >> >> So far, we created 7 jobs over Haiti, I communicated about >> them and they are all on the >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org>http://taches. >> francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a big deal just >> to check them. >> >> @Dale I think HOT US created a curriculum to raise skills to >> become Crisis activators, I would advise you to read it one >> day when you have a bit of time. If ever it does not mention >> to read and communicate in the hot list during an >> activation, I would suggest to add it into the >> documentation. As an incorporated company, HOT US may have >> its own internal tools to organize its mapping, but the >> minimum is to communicate a bit on the hot list with the OSM >> community, who is the holder of this list (as everything >> with @openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>). >> >> If you now create a new job covering job #45 >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61>, I >> may try next time to create a job in the middle of the >> water, just to see if you jump on it. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Severin >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>https://lists.openstreetmap. >> org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org <javascript:return> >> >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>https://lists.openstreetmap. >> org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > -- Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique / Lecturer, Geomatics et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot