On 21 June 2016 at 01:28, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote: > You still confuse me. Someone who is not on the Board cannot submit a motion > (email or otherwise)
This is simply, factually, false. In http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16403.html Walter notes that (a) the GPL motion - **which you voted to approve** - was submitted (i) by email, and (ii) by Sebastian, not a SLOB member, and (b) it was voted on in a private thread on the SLOBs list, which Walter regretfully informs us he forgot to CC to the lists. In http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16429.html Walter reports the outcome of the vote, but it is impossible for members to verify this. I am not accusing Walter of the board of acting in bad faith. I am simply stating facts, and posting motions to avoid procedural mistakes. When the board is voting on financial matters, procedural mistakes become more serious, so I am eager to resolve the cause of the problems _now_ before they are a problem _later._ > I am certainly not aware of any motion > made by a member of the Board which has not been handled entirely in public. Here is another recent motion which is reportedly passed but I can not verify the votes. The motion posted by Walter Bender which you can see here, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-May/018196.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16405.html The text of the motion is: Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing Sugar Labs at the Traducción e interpretación en las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima. The cost is $168.88. Please provide me with 7 links to 7 emails on a public mailing list from 2016-05-05 to 2016-05-12 for each of the votes for this motion that you say you are aware of. >> Since you are on the SLOB list I am not surprised, but since I am not, how >> can I know? > > The meetings of the Board are public. Yes, I am on the SLOBs list, and I can > assure you there is nothing secret happening there. Your continued > assertions that Board members are somehow deliberately acting behind the > backs of SL members is not helpful. I am not accusing anyone of acting behind anyone's backs. As you know I have engaged the SLOBs list privately over legally sensitive trademark matters, which I hope demonstrates that I understand and agree with the need for a private board discussion forum. What I am frustrated about is the board voting privately, and I see room to improve board procedures since there is a chance of potentially voting privately which I think ought to be formally avoided. I don't mean to be making accusations, rather sincerely stating the facts as I see them. It's a fact, widely acknowledged, that the board _can_ vote on public motions privately. I hope this will be rectified. The reason I am feeling frustration is that Adam, a board member, asked me to administer the board's record of decisions on the wiki, and my effort to do so has been fettered: reports of motion outcomes are reported by the chair - Walter - but I could not verify those votes in the public mail archive. Therefore I have offered a respectful motion to improve the functioning of the organization by requiring votes on public motions to be cross posted to the public mailing list and the private one in order to be valid. I am not sure why anyone opposes that motion, and why it was not seconded and approved. Responding to the overall situation of the board not acting promptly, I have posted motions that I wish to see the board adopt to order the monthly meeting in a productive way. Like Laura, I feel hurt because, like everyone, I have a need to be heard and acknowledged, and she and I have contributed to the improvement of the board but our need has not been met. I also think that Caryl's motions have also not been given much support from each board member to help the motions reach a version that can pass. > Your assertion that Board members > are not acting promptly and decisively is not supported by the record and is > also not helpful. I have explained exactly and precisely to you how the board members have not acted promptly and decisively. I've also asked in other threads for the board to each post your thoughts about each motion that has been posted by members that have not been publicly commented on, earlier this week. I do not know what else I can do to make this completely clear to you. -- Cheers Dave _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep