John, I don't know what sysprogs you have been around, but I can tell you i test, test, test , test...always have and always will. Part of the problem are the times and education and experience.... But I also think its how you were initially trained.
Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:33 PM, John Gilmore <[email protected]> wrote: > John Reid has reminded us all of a generic weakness in the way we do > things. Sysprogs install new systems and maintain them, but they do > not usually test them. They may indeed have only the vaguest notions > of what some of them do. > > Comprehensive IVPs have all but disappeared; but it it time, I think, > to reintroduce them. Moreover, there is a need for MVPs (Maintenance > Verification Procedures) too. > > If they were always available sysprogs could properly be given the > responsibility for using them and exami ng their outputs. > > John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA > > On 7/2/12, John Blythe Reid <[email protected]> wrote: >> From what I've read, and it sounds quite as you would expect, the systems >> programmers who applied the maintenance to CA-7 were based in the main >> Edinburgh data centre whereas the team responsible for job scheduling using >> CA-7 were based in Hyderabad. As we all know, when a critical job abends >> during the middle of the night with a tight batch window, things become >> quite stressful. And that rising stress level can lead to someone pressing >> the wrong key. Normally the consequences are not as disastrous as this >> one's been. >> >> John. >> >> On 2 July 2012 14:54, Mark Zelden <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:33:05 -0500, Ed Gould <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Shmuel: >>>> >>>> Well if it was outsourced I wouldn't be surprised to much. >>>> I suspect that these people sell themselves as experts in everything >>>> CA-7 or MVS you name it. I have interviewed two foreign speaking >>>> individuals and it turns out they read the manual and do not have a >>>> clue beyond that. >>>> >>> >>> Talk about a blanket generalization! Ed, when was the last time you >>> did any real work in MVS or worked with or in a company that >>> off shored any of their work? >>> >>> And I don't know the specifics of this incident and haven't been >>> following >>> it closely, but based on the CA-7 PTFs I saw released right afterwards >>> I would say the problem was related to the attempted upgrade (highly >>> doubtful that it was operators that attempted it) and backout coupled >>> with a CA-7 software issue that RBS couldn't have foreseen. >>> >>> Mark >>> -- >>> Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS >>> mailto:[email protected] >>> Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html >>> Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Blythe Reid, >> Técnico de Sistemas de z/OS y de Sistemas Transaccionales, >> Barcelona, >> España. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
