You can use ICC 3270's as z/OS consoles, I think what you are referring to is that you may not be able to use them as NIP consoles.
Brian On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:41:59 -0400, Tony Thigpen <[email protected]> wrote: >But, what does 3215 support have to do with the fact that z/OS requires >a special option on the ICC and can not use the 3270 option on the ICC? > >Tony Thigpen > >Lloyd Fuller wrote on 7/21/20 11:37 AM: >> z/VM and z/VSE allow 3215s as their consoles. z/OS does not. z/OS requires >> a 3270 full screen console. >> >> Regards. >> >> Lloyd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:32 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior >> >> I don't have an answer to that. I know what works and what does not. I never >> dug into what was different due to the settings. >> >> Most likely, it was something not in the specifications that z/OS happened >> to use, or had added for some reason, to the 3274 long ago. >> >> Tony Thigpen >> >> Seymour J Metz wrote on 7/21/20 9:32 AM: >>> Doesn't z/OS work with a real 3270 as a console? If so, then it's the ICC >>> that's doing something nonstandard with the 3270 setting. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on >>> behalf of Tony Thigpen [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:18 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior >>> >>> Brian, >>> >>> In regards to the '3270' or 'console' setting, that is very specific >>> to z/OS. On z/VSE and z/VM the consoles are set to '3270' in the ICC >>> configuration. Setting the value to 'console' for them will lead to >>> problems. Yet, on z/OS, you must set the field to 'console' handle to >>> some quirk that z/OS has as it relates to consoles. >>> >>> So, back to your question: "Why?", because z/OS again used something >>> non-standard in the operating system. >>> >>> (As someone that works across all three of the operating systems, I >>> see this often. z/OS plays by it's own house rules, not the rules >>> printed inside the box top.) >>> >>> Tony Thigpen >>> >>> Brian Westerman wrote on 7/21/20 4:44 AM: >>>> I completely disagree. Why would IBM have two settings in the >>>> configuration screen for them, one as a 3270 and the other as a console, >>>> if they only wanted you to be able to use consoles? >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:25:54 +0000, Parwez Hamid >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Agreed. The full name is OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller and >>>>> was primarly meant to provide Console Support to IPL OSes. Overtime, its >>>>> use has evolved but the basic concept remains. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Parwez Hamid >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on >>>>> behalf of R.S. <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 20 July 2020 12:17 >>>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior >>>>> >>>>> Excuse me, but IMHO OSA-ICC is just way to get rid off old equipment >>>>> like 3174L. It is NOT replacement, it is only for local (called >>>>> non-SNA) terminals, printers and ...CONSOLES. Consoles are the most >>>>> important. Of course 3172, 3274, and other controllers were not the goal. >>>>> >>>>> IBM went looong way from 3174s to to ICC. There were 2074 (quite >>>>> expensive), VTAM consoles (not very usable for IPL), older SYSCON >>>>> (Operating System Messages on HMC) and the latest 3270-like SYSG aka >>>>> PCOMM-like icon in HMC. SYSG is AFAIK z/VM nomenclature. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, Note, nomenclaure for "HMC-like" consoles: >>>>> 1. Operating System Messages >>>>> z/VM: SYSC >>>>> z/OS: SYSCON >>>>> >>>>> 2. HMC Integrated 3270 console (is it proper name?) >>>>> z/VM: SYSG >>>>> z/OS: HMCS >>>>> >>>>> I don't know about other OSes. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Radoslaw Skorupka >>>>> Lodz, Poland >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> W dniu 19.07.2020 o 15:17, Tony Thigpen pisze: >>>>>> Christian, >>>>>> I was dismayed too when I first discovered this limitation. The >>>>>> OSA-C was originally intended to eliminate the local 3174 >>>>>> requirement. It was not really designed to replace the 3172-003, >>>>>> which is what many are using it for today. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, you also need to look back at the OSA-C's roots which was the >>>>>> 3274 emulation in the P370, P390 and the MP3000. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony Thigpen >>>>>> >>>>>> Christian Svensson wrote on 7/19/20 8:40 AM: >>>>>>> Thanks for the input folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian: I have it working just fine, the setup was easy as you said >>>>>>> - the reason I started this thread was because I couldn't >>>>>>> understand why the limitations on the TCP port number and the >>>>>>> philosophy behind the routing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems pretty weird to me that IBM implemented ICC this way, but >>>>>>> hey - I'm just a stranger on the internet :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 06:52 Brian Westerman >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can set up some of the ports to be local VTAM terminals, then >>>>>>>> you can use VISTA (or any 3270 emulator) to connect into the ICC >>>>>>>> port 3270, and use the LUNAME of the 3270 you defined as a local >>>>>>>> 3270 terminal. 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