Yes, you can use an OSA ICC 3270 session as a NIP console as long as the device number is in the OS Config NIP console list Bob -------- Original message --------From: Brian Westerman <[email protected]> Date: 7/22/20 2:43 AM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavi You can use ICC 3270's as z/OS consoles, I think what you are referring to is that you may not be able to use them as NIP consoles. Brian On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:41:59 -0400, Tony Thigpen <[email protected]> wrote:>But, what does 3215 support have to do with the fact that z/OS requires >a special option on the ICC and can not use the 3270 option on the ICC?>>Tony Thigpen>>Lloyd Fuller wrote on 7/21/20 11:37 AM:>> z/VM and z/VSE allow 3215s as their consoles. z/OS does not. z/OS requires a 3270 full screen console.>> >> Regards.>> >> Lloyd>> >> -----Original Message----->> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:32 AM>> To: [email protected]>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>> >> I don't have an answer to that. I know what works and what does not. I never dug into what was different due to the settings.>> >> Most likely, it was something not in the specifications that z/OS happened to use, or had added for some reason, to the 3274 long ago.>> >> Tony Thigpen>> >> Seymour J Metz wrote on 7/21/20 9:32 AM:>>> Doesn't z/OS work with a real 3270 as a console? If so, then it's the ICC that's doing something nonstandard with the 3270 setting.>>>>>>>>> -->>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3>>>>>> ________________________________________>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on>>> behalf of Tony Thigpen [[email protected]]>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:18 AM>>> To: [email protected]>>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>>>>>> Brian,>>>>>> In regards to the '3270' or 'console' setting, that is very specific>>> to z/OS. On z/VSE and z/VM the consoles are set to '3270' in the ICC>>> configuration. Setting the value to 'console' for them will lead to>>> problems. Yet, on z/OS, you must set the field to 'console' handle to>>> some quirk that z/OS has as it relates to consoles.>>>>>> So, back to your question: "Why?", because z/OS again used something>>> non-standard in the operating system.>>>>>> (As someone that works across all three of the operating systems, I>>> see this often. z/OS plays by it's own house rules, not the rules>>> printed inside the box top.)>>>>>> Tony Thigpen>>>>>> Brian Westerman wrote on 7/21/20 4:44 AM:>>>> I completely disagree. Why would IBM have two settings in the configuration screen for them, one as a 3270 and the other as a console, if they only wanted you to be able to use consoles?>>>>>>>> Brian>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:25:54 +0000, Parwez Hamid <[email protected]> wrote:>>>>>>>>> Agreed. The full name is OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller and was primarly meant to provide Console Support to IPL OSes. Overtime, its use has evolved but the basic concept remains.>>>>>>>>>> Regards>>>>>>>>>> Parwez Hamid>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________>>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on>>>>> behalf of R.S. <[email protected]>>>>>> Sent: 20 July 2020 12:17>>>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>>>>>> Subject: Re: Multi-channel OSA-ICC routing and TCP port behavior>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me, but IMHO OSA-ICC is just way to get rid off old equipment>>>>> like 3174L. It is NOT replacement, it is only for local (called>>>>> non-SNA) terminals, printers and ...CONSOLES. Consoles are the most>>>>> important. Of course 3172, 3274, and other controllers were not the goal.>>>>>>>>>> IBM went looong way from 3174s to to ICC. There were 2074 (quite>>>>> expensive), VTAM consoles (not very usable for IPL), older SYSCON>>>>> (Operating System Messages on HMC) and the latest 3270-like SYSG aka>>>>> PCOMM-like icon in HMC. SYSG is AFAIK z/VM nomenclature.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Note, nomenclaure for "HMC-like" consoles:>>>>> 1. Operating System Messages>>>>> z/VM: SYSC>>>>> z/OS: SYSCON>>>>>>>>>> 2. HMC Integrated 3270 console (is it proper name?)>>>>> z/VM: SYSG>>>>> z/OS: HMCS>>>>>>>>>> I don't know about other OSes.>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>> Radoslaw Skorupka>>>>> Lodz, Poland>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 19.07.2020 o 15:17, Tony Thigpen pisze:>>>>>> Christian,>>>>>> I was dismayed too when I first discovered this limitation. The>>>>>> OSA-C was originally intended to eliminate the local 3174>>>>>> requirement. It was not really designed to replace the 3172-003,>>>>>> which is what many are using it for today.>>>>>>>>>>>> And, you also need to look back at the OSA-C's roots which was the>>>>>> 3274 emulation in the P370, P390 and the MP3000.>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony Thigpen>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Svensson wrote on 7/19/20 8:40 AM:>>>>>>> Thanks for the input folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian: I have it working just fine, the setup was easy as you said>>>>>>> - the reason I started this thread was because I couldn't>>>>>>> understand why the limitations on the TCP port number and the>>>>>>> philosophy behind the routing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems pretty weird to me that IBM implemented ICC this way, but>>>>>>> hey - I'm just a stranger on the internet :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 06:52 Brian Westerman>>>>>>> <[email protected]>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can set up some of the ports to be local VTAM terminals, then>>>>>>>> you can use VISTA (or any 3270 emulator) to connect into the ICC>>>>>>>> port 3270, and use the LUNAME of the 3270 you defined as a local>>>>>>>> 3270 terminal. Since you can have over 100 terminals per port,>>>>>>>> making them all os consoles is a waste, so having a bunch of them>>>>>>>> as local 3270's that you can give to your carious LPARs (and use>>>>>>>> EE to connect to the LPARs they are not connected to), is a great>>>>>>>> way to use them.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like to make the first 16 to 32 devices OS consoles and the>>>>>>>> rest of them local 3270s.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you are using TCP to get to them inside the ICC, but they are>>>>>>>> technically local 3270 terminals. 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