To me, the most important thing that is lost in outsourcing is the friendly 
call  or deskside chat between a curious/puzzled application programmer and a 
cooperative/knowledgeable systems staff person.  In my applications career I 
have always made it a particular point to be polite and friendly with the 
systems staff and to cultivate their good opinion of me, since they were 
usually far more senior in experience and knowledge than I was.  I also tried 
to learn from them and not make the same dumb mistake more than once (OK, maybe 
twice . . . :).

Outsourced systems staff means formal and tightly controlled contact 
procedures, prioritized question/research lists, where outsourced projects like 
hardware and software upgrades mean application questions and puzzles get very 
short shrift and low priority, if indeed they ever get answered at all.  
Eventually the questions are directed elsewhere (like to this list), or they 
just do not get answered at all because they are never asked.

As a senior applications developer now I get some of the questions and puzzles 
from other application programmers, even from some of my peers in seniority and 
experience, because no one person knows it all.  The loss of those informal 
communications channels with the systems staff is IMHO a serious loss to the 
corporation as well as to the individual programmers.

But what do I know, I'm just a programmer, not a manager.  The only time I 
count beans is for chile con carne.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Mark Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!

I am working with a client in Europe that is being requested by his senior 
management team to look at outsourcing their IT systems, including their system 
z platform.

Would anyone be willing to share any war stories of their experiences with 
Outsourcing good or bad?

Offline from the list via email or for anyone attending Share in Texas willing 
to have a coffee/beer and discuss face to face.

Mark

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