Some thoughts from someone on the other side. What's the point of saying "Oh, I'm an outsourced nobody." in a post where one is asking for help. So you may choose to not answer or sit on your high horse and ridicule their incompetence when they're struggling? If you guys (actual mainframe folk with decades of background) are going to compare outsourced folk vs yourselves, you're doing it wrong. Most of your outsourced folk are younger than the total experience you may have. Of course they're going to be inferior. Do you call a baby rubbish because it can't write a sonnet? Yes, the baby has no business writing sonnets but welcome to the world of outsourcing.
When deciding to outsource, your employer has chosen money over the people who have served him/her for a long time. Don't take out your anger and disgust on people who are struggling to better themselves because they have massive shoes to fill. It's not his/her action that has led to you being laid off and being forced to accept ridiculous things (train or you don't get your 401k or whatever) in your last hours (on the job). That said, here's some actual feedback which may not be possible to implement at all though: 1. Exercise as many choices as you must to ensure you do not suffer. Try as hard as you can to not accept people who can't speak basic English. The big man at the outsourcer may not leave that choice to you but trust me, this is the root of all the abscess that you're (employer) being charged for. "This guy can't speak, so let's make him work under some 15,000 managers who repeat the same thing without adding value." Oh, and BTW, these managers are paid a f*k load more than the people working, I would assume. 2. Offshoring development, IMHO, is the worst thing you can do. You want your company to work on code that's written by someone who's knowledge is extremely limited, and someone who would keep trying to nail everything because he has a hammer? 3. If you are able to pick the right (technical) people, keep the overhead (hey, if we're "resources", what's above us ought to be "overhead" right?) to an extreme minimum. Who knows, some day Watson may make the whole industry go away and one machine may manage the other. At that point, you get to say "Ha! No more of these 'incompetent masses'". – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, Feb 25, 2016 12:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:31:14 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote: >I am working with a client in Europe that is being requested by his >senior management team to look at outsourcing their IT systems, >including their system z platform. > >Would anyone be willing to share any war stories of their experiences >with Outsourcing good or bad? There has been considerable evidence of outsourcing to incompetent companies on IBM-Main lately. They don't say that they are outsourcers, but in the last few days there have been threads from people who hadn't a clue what they were doing. My guess is that they are outsourcers. Two that come to mind are the thread on a DASD device not going offline, and one about Applying a PTF to DB2 10. -- Tom Marchant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM ________________________________ Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
